The Rosary And Padre Pio, Why were they deleted? Rating Options

[Unassumed]

I'm curious as to why the posts on Padre Pio and the Holy Rosary were deleted from the forum. I'm sure there are at least a few Catholics here that could appreciate the material. Besides, who here couldn't benefit from the wisdom of Padre Pio, the saint who humbly carried the sign of the stigmata for 50 years? Also, it would be good to know exactly why they were deleted for future reference, so that I may post more acceptable content. Thanks for your time.

[Matthew Thomas]

Samael Aun Weor wrote,

Jesus did not found the Roman Catholic Church; Jesus founded the Gnostic Church.  The Gnostic Church existed in the times of Saint Augustine.  This is the Church which was known by Jeronimo, Empedocles, Saint Thomas, Marcion de Ponto, Clement of Alexandria, Tertulian, Saint Ambrosio, Harpocrates and all of the first Fathers of the Church.  In that epoch, the Church was named the Catholic Gnostic Church.

The Roman Catholic Church in its present form was not founded by Jesus.  This Roman Church is a deviation or corruption, a fallen branch of the holy Gnosticism.  The Roman Catholic Church is a cadaver...

In this present time, the Roman Catholic Church has totally lost the tradition.  That is why we see that in this Roman Church the fire of the temple is lit by acolyte boys, an action that is not only an absurdity, but more over, a very grave sacrilege and an insult to life itself...

We are not members of the Roman Catholic Church.  This church only follows the path of the Monk.  We follow all four paths.  We have the path of the Monk in our Gnostic religion with its Patriarch, Archbishops, Bishops and Priests.  That is why we do not belong to the Church of Rome.  We are not against any religion, school or sect either.  Many priests of the Roman Church have come to our ranks.  People from all organizations have become affiliated with our Gnostic Movement.  Our Gnostic Church is one of the most complete ones.  On the path of the Fakir, we learn to live with rectitude.  On the path of the Monk, we develop emotion.  On the path of the Yogi, we practice esoteric exercises that activate the latent occult powers of man.  On the path of the balanced man, we work with Alchemy and with Kabbalah, and we struggle disintegrating the “I.”

Therefore, we felt that your posts could mislead new students.

[Ralph]

Matthew, from which of Samael's books does this come?

A rather longer version is at:
http://www.gnosis-usa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=102

Dion Fortune wrote something that seems tremendously important (and relevant), but that I can hardly explain:

...It is the method that is used in working the Mass by those priests who have
knowledge. There are two types of priest in the Roman Church: the beneficed parish
clergy and the men who belong to monastic Orders and undertake parish, and especially
home mission, work as part of their service. These monks frequently bring to the working
of the Mass a very high degree of magical power, as any psychic can testify. It is the
ensouling of an astral form with spiritual force which is the real act of
Transubtantiation. It is in the knowledge of these things, and in the possession of
organised bodies of men and women trained in their use in the encloistered Orders, that
the strength of the One Catholic and Apostolic Church lies; it is the lack of any such
inner knowledge which is the weakness of the schismatic communions, a lack that makes
the Anglican rituals, even when worked with full ceremonial, as water unto wine when
compared with the Roman rituals; for the men who work them have no knowledge of the
secret workings which are traditional in the Roman communion, and are not trained in
the technique of visualising. I am not a Catholic, and never shall be...

The "ensouling of an astral form with spiritual force" - wow...

[Matthew Thomas]

From both Revolution of Beelzebub and Perfect Matrimony.

[Ralph]

I've been looking for references to a Church Father named Harpocrates, but seem to be drawing a blank.

Of course, the Greek-Egyptian Harpocrates is all over the internet.

Anyone know who the Christian Harpocrates was?

[samanera]

Of course, the Greek-Egyptian Harpocrates is all over the internet.

Anyone know who the Christian Harpocrates was?

Maybe it's the same man.


Perhaps he was a Coptic Priest?

[Ralph]

Maybe it's the same man.


Perhaps he was a Coptic Priest?

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Now, THAT's an interesting thought.

As far as I can tell, in the context of the quote from Master Samael

Jeronimo = Saint Jerome?

Empedocles = ? (There was a Greek philosopher by that name a few centuries before Christ.)

Saint Thomas = ? several choices; most likely are St. Thomas the Apostle and St. Thomas Aquinas (13th century; a bit late to be called a Church Father).

Marcion de Ponto = Marcion the heretic written about by Tertullian

Clement of Alexandria

Tertulian = Tertullian

Saint Ambrosio = St. Ambrose

It's challenging to read about the Church Fathers because the commentaries are influenced by medieval and modern Roman Catholicism, as are the translations of their writings. Furthermore, one would guess that their most esoteric knowledge wasn't written down.

[samanera]

I think you're referring to Carpocrates, Ralph.


Harpocrates is the Greek name, for a form of the Kemetian-Neter Heru: Heru Pa Khart(Heru the Child).

Theosophical Glossary

"Harpocrates (Greek) Heru-pa-khart (Egyptian) Horus the Younger, or Horus the Babe. Representations of his mother Isis with an infant are common in Egypt, and with his father, Osiris, a trinity is formed of Father-Mother-Son. Harpocrates came to be regarded as the type of new birth and life, thus the first hours of the day, the first days of the month, and the first days of the year, were especially associated with him. He was the god of silence or of the Mysteries, and little has come down to the present day with regard to this aspect of the deity."


"Aroeris, Haroiri (Greek) Heru-ur (Egyptian) [from heru he who is above + ur the aged] Horus the elder, as distinguished from Heru-pa-khart (Horus the younger) -- these two gods are often confused because there are the cosmic Osiris and Isis known as Ra (the sun god) and Hathor, whose son was the Older Horus, and there are likewise the more commonly known Osiris and Isis of our own globe, whose son was the Younger Horus. Aroeris is a deity associated with the sun, and the head of a triad of deities, the other two members being his consort Ta-sent-nefert and their son P-neb-taui (the child). His principal seats of worship were at Sekhemet (Latopolis) and at Ombos where Heru-ur absorbed all the characteristics and qualities of Shu, while his consort took on the characteristics of Tefnut. Heru-ur is depicted in the form of a man (or lion) with the head of a hawk, wearing the crowns of the South and North Egypt united -- meaning cosmogonically, the material and the spiritual universes -- surmounted by a crown of plumes, uraei, and the disk of the sun.

Plutarch designates Aroeris as the son of Kronos and Rhea (i.e., Seb and Nut), which would make him the brother of Osiris, also the son of Nut. Originally Heru-ur was the twin god of Set, being the Face of the Sun by day, while Set was the Face by night. One representation of him is with the horns and the solar disk, similar to Khnemu or Khnum, with whom he is equivalent.

"If we bear in mind the definition of the chief Egyptian gods by Plutarch, these myths will become more comprehensible; as he well says: 'Osiris represents the beginning and principle; Isis, that which receives; and Horus, the compound of both. Horus engendered between them, is not eternal nor incorruptible, but, being always in generation, he endeavours by vicissitudes of imitations, and by periodical passion (yearly re-awakening to life) to continue always young, as if he should never die.' Thus, since Horus is the personified physical world, Aroueris, or the 'elder Horus,' is the ideal Universe; and this accounts for the saying that 'he was begotten by Osiris and Isis when these were still in the bosom of their mother' -- Space" (TG 31). See also HORUS"

Ra Un Nefer Amen

..."The other common misconception about the will is the belief that “power” is an attribute of it. The ability to achieve one’s will is, therefore, spoken of as “strength of will”, etc. But the very factors that make the will intrinsically free of emotional (the power part of our being) influence, also denies it of power as its attribute. A major correspondence of Heru (Shango, the “sun”, etc.) is the king (and all people in authority). His function is to command the people and the army to carry out works. He does not have the power to do it himself. Similarly, when we declare our will to achieve a goal or carry out a behavior, we are commanding another part of our being which possesses the attributes of power. This is Ra, our life-force. It is of interest to note that the symbol of Ra is a serpent surmounting the solar disk, and all of its creative functions are carried out through the agency of hekau (words of power). We should not be surprised that the most primitive, hence most powerful part of our brain, the “reptilian brain” or R-complex, is responsive to sound waves and rhythm and not ideas. Perhaps some day, Western psychologists will realize that this part of the brain is the doorway to the root shaping factors of our behavior, as well as the powers of nature. The supreme way, then, of willing events is through the chanting of the heka controlling the physical manifestation. This manner of declaring our will is symbolized by Heru-Pa-Khart (Harpocrates), i.e., “Heru, the child”. He is depicted emerging from a lotus wearing the red and white crown, holding the flail and crook (see Appendix A) in one hand, while making the sign of silence and of chanting hekau. The lotus, which is a flower that requires a great deal of sunlight (it closes with the setting sun, opens with its rising) is a symbol of the psychic centers (chakras) wherein manifest the forces represented by the words of power. The “sign of silence and chanting hekau,” which is made by pointing the index finger to the mouth, symbolizes chanting combined with the cessation of ideation as the supreme means of expressing the will"...

Carpocrates


From The Secret Doctrine:

...The Two Eternal Principles - (Page 115)

..."Basildes, Carpocrates and Valentinus, the Egyptian Gnostics of the second century, held the same ideas with a few variations. Basilides preached seven Aeons (Hosts or Archangels), who issued from the substance of the Supreme. Two of them, Power and Wisdom, begot the heavenly hierarchy of the first class and dignity; this emanated a second; the latter a third, and so on; each subsequent evolution being of a nature less exalted than the precedent, and each creating for itself a Heaven as a dwelling, the nature of each of these respective Heavens decreasing in splendour and purity as it approached nearer to the earth. Thus the number of these Dwellings amounted to 365; and over all presided the Supreme Unknown called Abraxas, a name which in the Greek method of numeration yields the number 365, which in its mystic and numerical meaning contains the number 355, or the man value [ Ten is the perfect number of the Supreme God among the “manifested” deities, for number "I"is the symbol of the Universal Unit, or male principle in Nature, and a number "0" the feminine symbol Chaos, the Deep, the two forming thus the symbol of Androgyne nature as well as the full value of the solar year, which was also the value of Jehovah and Enoch. Ten, with Pythagoras, was the symbol of the Universe; also of Enos, the Son of Seth, or the “Son of Man” who stands as the symbol of the solar year of 365 days, and whose years are therefore given as 365 also. In the Egyptian Symbology Abraxas was the Sun, the “Lord of the Heavens.” The Circle is the symbol of the one Unmanifesting Principle, the plane of whose figure is infinitude eternally, and this is crossed by a diameter only during Manvantaras.] This was a Gnostic Mystery based upon that of primitive Evolution, which ended with “man.”"...

John Yarker:

..."Carpocratians. The founder of this Sect was Carpocrates of Alexandria. He would seem to have been a Disciple of Jehoshua ben Panther, previously mentioned, rather than the Gospel Jesus. It is not improbable that the older portions of the Jewish Sepher Toldoth Jeshu was a Gospel of Cabalistic Sects, and that Jesus ben Panther was an Essenian leader. The system of Carpocrates taught that Jesus derived the Mysteries of his religion from the temple of Isis in Egypt, where he had studied for six years, and that he taught them to his Apostles, who transmitted them to Carpocrates. The sect used Theurgic incantations, and had grips, signs, and words; symbols and degrees. His son Epiphanes wrote {167} a work on his father's system, but died young. The sect is believed to have endured for some centuries. The Comte de Tromelin, in the Paris Initiation (Oct., 1902), says: -- "Hermes has as seat a cross between the four branches of which are written the four letters I.N.R.I., in that order. Is it not the grand Hermetic prediction of the Mages attendant on the Messiah?"...

[Aristocrates]

What then concerning the visitation by the virgin? Is this of the white/black lodge, or is there just a sense of detachment from even looking at it because it has it's affiliation with the degenerate religion?

More importantly, what of the rosary? Should it be prayed at all? And if not theirs, should we have one of our own, maybe sell rosaries in the Gnostic store?

What of the story of Sister Faustina and the chaplet of Divine Mercy? The Novena? Just because someone is in a decayed religion doesn't prevent them from being helped by or interceeded by a divine master does it?

I exhaustively analyzed the contents of the prayers given there, and found them to be compatable with the doctrine of Gnosis. Whether or not that was really the master appearing to that woman, who knows... But I feel a particular draw to the prayers, and wonder if I should recite them.