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[Martha]

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-From SAW'S Book "Hermetic Astrology," Chapter on Aquarius

[Paul G.]

Martha, what is Cartomancy?

In times which become lost in the profound night of all ages, the poor intellectual animal comprehended his sad situation of being a little machine necessary for the economy of Nature and wished to die; the intervention of certain sacred individuals who committed the error of giving this unfortunate human swarm the abominable Kundabuffer organ was then necessary.

When did this occur and why did we, the intellectual animals, want to die?

[Martha]

Martha, what is Cartomancy?

Cartomancy is the art of telling fortunes with cards.



-Martha

[Martha]

Martha,
When did this occur and why did we, the intellectual animals, want to die?

QUOTE(SAW's Book "Hermetic Astrology:" Aquarius )
In times which become lost in the profound night of all ages, the poor intellectual animal comprehended his sad situation of being a little machine necessary for the economy of Nature and wished to die; the intervention of certain sacred individuals who committed the error of giving this unfortunate human swarm the abominable Kundabuffer organ was then necessary.

This occurred during the Lemurian Epoch.

Ancient traditions state that during the Lemurian epoch, certain sacred individuals came to the Earth in a cosmic astro-ship.

These individuals were forming a very high sacred commission, which was entrusted with studying the evolving and devolving problems of the Earth and its humanity.

The Archangel Sakaki and the Principal Archphysicist and Universal-Common-Chemist Angel Loisos were the two main individuals from this holy divine commission.

This sacred commission of ineffable beings is behind the whole drama of Eden. They came with bodies of flesh and bones, their ship landed on Lemuria. During that ancient age, the human instinct was starting to develop itself into objective reasoning.

This very high commission could verify to satiety that the Edenic human being already started to suspect the motive of his creation.


The Lemurian Root Race had started to guess the true motives of its own existence, a miserable existence, with just mechanical motives.

Each human being is a little machine who captures and transforms cosmic energies. Then he unconsciously adapts these energies into the interior layers of the earth. Thus, we are human machines...nothing else. What would this world be without the human machines?

Without this seal, without this physiognomy which is supplied by this humanity, the planet would be without a purpose. Thus, everything which is without purpose ceases to exist.

Humanity as a whole is an organ from Nature. This organ collects and assimilates cosmic energies, which are necessary for the development of this planetary organism. Disgracefully, to be a machine is not very pleasant, yet, it is what the so-called human being is...he is a machine...that is what he is...yes, that, and nothing else.

When a rebel rises with his weapons against Nature, when he wants to stop being a machine, then, the tenebrous powers fight against him to death.

The human beings who are capable of fighting the tenebrous forces, to fight against Nature, against the cosmos, etc., are very rare. Commonly, these type of rebels capitulate.

Many are called, yet few are chosen. Only a few individuals attain the victory against Nature and achieve the right to sit on the throne of power in order to rule over it.

The Lemurians already had suspected all of this. They understood with their instinct that human beings, after having offered their services as machines to this Nature, were becoming perverse.

Everywhere, within all of the corners of Lemuria, the whole of this tragedy was instinctively suspected. Yet, this tragedy wanted to appear into the Lemurian’s objective reasoning.

Therefore, this Sacred Commission, after having serenely inspected this problem, resolved to take drastic cosmic procedures in order to avoid the total dissolution of the human genre and even mass suicide.

Great cosmic desiderata are behind Adam and Eve. This Sacred Commission is what is hidden behind that drama and Edenic scenario. Thus, everything was fulfilled and the human being received the damned stigma, the Kundabuffer Organ.

In the course of time...maybe many centuries after...the Holy Commission returned, this time commanded by the Archseraphim Sevohtartra, due to the fact that the Archangel Sakaki had converted himself into one of the four tetra-sustainers of the Universe.

Traditions state that they returned precisely three years later. Nonetheless, these three years are always symbolic.

The fact then was that after a severe examination of the situation, the Archphycisian and Chemist Angel Loisos destroyed the Kundabuffer Organ from within the human race, since the human race did not need it any more. The human being had abandoned all of his suspicions as he had become fascinated with the beauties of this world.

The Gods saved the human being from a great crisis. They achieved in making the human being fascinated with this world, in order that he could live within it as any planetary citizen. Yet, the Gods could not save him from the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ.


Truly, the evil consequences of such an organ were converted into mistaken habits and customs, that entered the depths of our psyche and became converted into the subconsciousness.

Thus, the Ego or the Psychological “I” is the same subconsciousness, that is rooted in the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ.

The Most Saintly Ashiata Shiemash fought very hard in order to take the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ out from humanity.

The Holy Lama in Tibet also suffered very much in order to save humanity from the horrifying consequences of the mentioned fatal organ.

Buddha, Jesus, Moses and other Masters passed through much bitterness in order to liberate humanity from the disastrous consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ.

Therefore, the Sacred Commission of Ineffable Beings threw upon their shoulders a terrible cosmic karma. They will pay such karma in the future Manvantara.



Listen to me, Gnostic Brethren:

You must comprehend that you can end the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ only with the three factors of the revolution of the consciousness.

These three factors are:

a) Death of the Psychological “I”;

Birth of the Being within us;

c) Sacrifice for Humanity.

The "I" dies based on rigorous creative comprehension. The Being is born within us with the Maithuna (sexual magic). Sacrifice for humanity is charity and very well understood love.

The schools which teach the ejaculation of semen, even when they do this in a very mystical way, are really black schools, because the Kundabuffer Organ is developed with such a practice.

The schools which teach the connection of the Lingam Yoni without the ejaculation of semen are white schools, because this is how the Kundalini rises through the medullar canal.

The schools which teach how to strengthen the psychological “I” are black schools, because the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ are strengthened with that procedure.

The schools which teach the dissolution of the “I” (mystical death) are white schools, because they destroy the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ.

The Kundabuffer Organ is the tail of Satan. It is the sexual fire descending from the coccyx downwards towards the atomic infernos of the human being.

-Excerpt from Samael Aun Weor's book, "The Tail Of Satan."

Did that answer your questions Paul?

-Martha

[Paul G.]

...the Archangel Sakaki had converted himself into one of the four tetra-sustainers of the Universe.

What are the four-tetra sustainers of the Universe?

The Gods saved the human being from a great crisis. They achieved in making the human being fascinated with this world, in order that he could live within it as any planetary citizen. Yet, the Gods could not save him from the evil consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ.

Truly, the evil consequences of such an organ were converted into mistaken habits and customs, that entered the depths of our psyche and became converted into the subconsciousness.

What does Master Samael mean that the Archangels succeeded in making humanity fascinated with the world?

[Martha]

I don't understand, how they did not previously have the Kundabuffer Organ, (like we do), wouldn't self realization have been easier for them then? Would it not have been easier to fight against nature? Why would they have all killed themselves, effectively ending the human race? The main culprit is objective reasoning??

No one can be obliged to transform himself into a human being by force; all those millions of humanoids although not being humans in the most complete sense of the word, could have been infinitely happy if there had not emerged in their interior, a second, malignant, and terribly perverse nature.

Not all the happy creatures that live in all the worlds of the infinite space reach mastery.

However, they find themselves in tune with the cosmic order because they do not have ego.

When one lives in accordance with upright thinking, upright feeling and upright action, the consequences tend to be happiness.

Unfortunately just thought, just sentiment, just action, etc., are made impossible when a second inhumane nature acts in us and within us and through us, here and now.

Confusion should be avoided in what we are stating here: it is obvious that of the many, a few aspire to Adepthood, to the inner self realization of our Being; unquestionably, these souls transform themselves into true kings of the universe and into terribly divine gods.

The masses, after the three thousand cycles of manifestation, return to the Universal Spirit of life as merely happy elementals.

The disagreeable thing is that these millions of humanoid elementals have created within themselves a second infrahuman nature because the latter in itself has made them not only perverse, but also, and what is worse, unfortunate.

If it was not for the ego, no one would be irate, no one would covet the goods of others, no one would be lustful, envious, proud, lazy, gluttonous, etc., etc.

So the Kundabuffer was our saving grace? How? But then the Kundabuffer was removed from humanity? Why would the human race not need it if they became fascinated? I thought facination led to "sleeping". Yet it's not removed, we are told we all have this organ?

It is not irrelevant to remember that such a negative fohat was covered by the physical tail, such as we see in apes; then the dwellers of the Earth carried on their appearances such an appendage or projection of the dorsal spine.

The forces that, in that era, passed through the human organisms, suffered, as a result, categorical modifications that permitted the stabilization of the terrestrial cortex.

Much later in the history of the centuries, other sacred individuals, considering that the abominable Kundabuffer organ (Satan ‘a tail) was no longer necessary, thus they eliminated from the human body such an appendage.

Unfortunately, the awful results of the organ of witches remained in the five cylinders of the organic machine, centers known as intellect, emotion, movement, instinct and sex.

Going into depth on this topic, we can discover for ourselves, that such tenebrous results are perfectly defined as psychic aggregates or quarrelsome and vociferous “I’s” personifying errors and making up the ego, the self-willed, the false self.

However, (in the abyss) millions of humans creatures with the abominable Kundabuffer organ totally developed, inhabit the submerged sphere of Mercury.

With this I do not want to say that the physical tail of the apes is found actually developed in the anatomy of the three-brained or three-centered biped. Certainly at that site there exists a very incipient osseous residue of the abominable tail in the human anatomy; however, the psychic aspect of such an organ is found in the metaphysical appearance of millions of rational humanoids.

This we come to evidence in a clear manner when, dressed in our astral body, we penetrate into the submerged into the abyss, into the realms of the Mercurial type, beneath the epidermis of the planet Earth.

Fortunately my dear friends, justice and mercy are the two principal columns of the Universal White Fraternity.

Justice without mercy is tyranny; mercy without justice is tolerance, complacency with the transgression. In this world of misfortune in which we find ourselves, it is necessary to learn to handle our own business affairs, to guide the ship of our existence through the diverse ports of life.

Karma is negotiable and this is something that can greatly surprise the followers of diverse orthodox schools.

Certainly, some pseudo-esotericists and pseudo-occultists have become too pessimistic regarding the law of action and consequence; they mistakenly suppose that the latter unfolds in a mechanical, automatic and cruel manner.

Scholars believe that it is not possible to alter such a law; sincerely, I have to dissent with them, because I am very dissatisfied with their way of thinking.

If the law of action and consequence, if the nemesis of existence were not negotiable, then where would divine mercy be? Frankly, I cannot accept cruelty in the divinity. The reality, that which is all perfection, that which has diverse names, such as Tao, Aum, Inri, Sein, Allah, Brahma, God, or better said Gods, etc., can, in no way, be something without mercy, something cruel, tyrannical, etc. Because of all of this I repeat in an emphatic manner that karma is negotiable.

When an inferior law is transcended by a superior law, the superior law washes away the inferior law.
Do good deeds to pay your debts. The lion of the law is combated with the scale.

Whosoever has capital in order to pay, pays, and does well in his business affairs; but whosoever does not have wit capital in order to pay, has to pays with pain.

From this story how are these cosmic beings helping? Sounds like cosmic oppression and slavery.

We have to comprehend that the black lodge became a bottom feeder, in other words, the black magicians became opportunists who profit from the misfortunes of others!

I really regret to have to state that there awaits for the Archangel Sakaki and his high Committee of sacred individuals, who, in archaic times gave the abominable Kundabuffer organ to humanity, unutterable bitterness, horrible karma, in the future great cosmic day, since there is no doubt that due to their error, this humanity lost its happiness and became monstrous. May the holy gods forgive me for such an affirmation, but facts are facts and before them we have to surrender, no matter what.

Obviously this story is a greater insight into the fall of humanity. Why in the biblical story is Eve tempting Adam then with the apple how does that tie into all of this?

“The apple tree symbolizes the sexual force of Eden. When humanity ate of the prohibited fruit, they were cast out from Paradise.

“The Angel who governs all the elementals of this tree has the power to close our spinal chambers if we eat of the prohibited fruit.”

“On the Lemurian continent some 18 million years ago, the Earth trembled incessantly, its volcanoes vomiting forth fire and lava; (so, in order to stabilized the cortex of the planet with lunar forces), certain sacred individuals headed by the Archangel Sakaki allowed the development of the abominable Kundabuffer organ, a terribly negative, Luciferic force, projecting from the coccyx towards the atomic infernos of the human being (because, the elementals from the animal kingdom that at that time became humanoids, discovered that - if they do not achieve self-realization - they would become only machines for the economy of nature, therefore, this Cosmic Committee gave liberty to each of the individual, particular Lucifers to sexually tempt them, thus, not knowing good and evil, those humanoids obviously fornicated). “

“It is urgent to understand that the root of ego is found in sexual abuse, in lust, in fornication, in adultery... If we take away the roots from a tree it is clear that the latter will ultimately die; something similar happens with ego... unfortunately Lucifer (who works though the masculine and feminine sexual strength) should educate us in sex, there is where we should submit to a rigorous understanding through the most severe temptations; it is clear that if, there in sex we come out victorious, the disintegration of the ego is inevitably precipitated.

I do not want to say with this that all the psychological defects should not be worked on with the purpose of reducing them to ashes; I am only putting certain emphasis on the sexual matter, since it is in fornication that the original sin is found.”

And

“I want you then my friends to comprehend what the reflection of the Logos, the shadow of God within each of us, the real Devil or Lucifer or sacred Prometheus, is…

In the British museum there is certainly, a very interesting representation of this scaly creature.
“There also exists in the mentioned museum a very ancient, archaic painting, where there appears a tree of the science of good and evil, the apple of Eden.

It is interesting that close to this tree one sees the painting of Adam and Eve, the man and woman trying to bring the apples closer with the purpose of devouring them.

Behind the trunk of this tree is the dragon-serpent, and up high, in the clouds, there appear some beings cursing the tree, a living representation of every exotericist or profane clergyman who is not knowledgeable of the sexual mysteries.

There is no doubt that the two human beings, man-woman, are before the tree of the science of good and evil.

“The serpent-dragon is the initiator, and one has to know how to understand this profoundly.

“I will explain to you frankly; I will say what all of this means, so that you can understand and march with firmness on the narrow and difficult path that leads the initiate to the final liberation.

Unquestionably, the serpent is the sexual fire that should ascend through the spinal canal degree by degree until it reaches the brain.

Naturally, such an igneous element possesses extraordinary powers and when it climbs through the dorsal spine, it transforms us radically.

Regarding the dragon, indubitably he is the most extraordinary psychological trainer that each of us carry within ourselves.

The divine Daimon, mentioned many times by Socrates, the very shadow of our own individual Spirit, places us in temptations with the purpose of training us, educating us; only in this manner do the precious gems of virtues spring forth from our psyche.

Now I ask myself and I ask you: Where is the evil of Lucifer? The results are what speak. If there is no temptation, there are no virtues; the stronger the temptations, the greater the virtues; what is important is to not fall into temptation and because of this we should beg the Father, saying, “Do not let us fall into temptation.”

Seen in this manner then, these two aspects that hide behind the tree of the science of good and evil, we arrive at the logical conclusion that the dragon and the serpent or the serpent-dragon to speak in synthesis, is beyond all doubt the great practical initiator.

We have given the clue many times and we will not become tired of repeating it to satiety: the connection of the phallus and the uterus without ejaculation of the semen; only in this manner the sacred fire of sex is put into motion, which elevating itself through the spinal canal, from degree to degree, from vertebra to vertebra, comes in the end, to transform us radically.

That the dragon tempts us during the work that is his duty; he should make us strong, he should educate us in the sexual gymnasium; he should convert us into athletes of sexual magic.

Much later on, the igneous serpent of our magical powers should swallow us, and then we will be transformed into serpents immediately.

However, before this extraordinary happening, before that banquet of the serpentine fire, we should defeat the dragon, that is, we should come out victorious from the temptation.

Finally, the scaly Lucifer, the shadow of the Eternal One, the inner reflection of our true
Divine Being, will return to Him, will fuse with Him, will shine in Him.

On arriving at this level we will be able to exclaim as the ancient initiates: I am a
Dragon, I am He, He, He.”

Excerpts from Samael Aun Weor's books, "Igneous Rose" and "Yes, There is a Hell, Devil and Karma."

What are the four-tetra sustainers of the Universe?

The four tetra sustainers of the Universe are Cosmo Creators.

What does Master Samael mean that the Archangels succeeded in making humanity fascinated with the world?

See the answer posted to Pandora.

-M

[Paul G.]

Not all the happy creatures that live in all the worlds of the infinite space reach mastery.

However, they find themselves in tune with the cosmic order because they do not have ego.

Confusion should be avoided in what we are stating here: it is obvious that of the many, a few aspire to Adepthood, to the inner self realization of our Being; unquestionably, these souls transform themselves into true kings of the universe and into terribly divine gods.

I thought the Path was about the Dissolution of the Ego in order to reunite with the Being. How is it that humanities without ego do not have the Being incarnated?

Is it possible for souls without Ego to perform the Work? And if so, what would the Work really consist of since they have no Ego to destroy? What would they have to do to Self-Realize? Would it be easier for them?

Here is more information concerning this subject:

The ego is not unique to this planet, nor is black magic. There are other planets with degenerated humanities. It just happens that we have a bad reputation in our neighborhood.

All humanities on all the worlds develop the kundartiguador (kundabuffer) because it is necessary for a certain stage in their development. However, in our case there was a minor error in the process, which combined with some karmic debts from previous epochs. Thereafter, due to the activity of certain intelligences, humanity was misled and developed the fatal shadow (the kundabuffer) into the monstrous ego we have today. We are not the only ones to have done that.

Normally, in other humanities, the "egoic" results of the kundartiguador are minor. Regardless, they are necessary for the development of the soul, just the same as the division of the sexes is necessary at a certain stage. Those "egoic" results provide a kind of fuel for the unfolding of wisdom. So, understanding that, you can see that in reality the current situation provides a huge reserve of fuel to power the development of wisdom: but in any transformation there is death and birth. We simply have to learn how to take advantage of that, and let the ego die so the wisdom is born in us.

[Martha]

I thought the Path was about the Dissolution of the Ego in order to reunite with the Being. How is it that humanities without ego do not have the Being incarnated?

Is it possible for souls without Ego to perform the Work? And if so, what would the Work really consist of since they have no Ego to destroy? What would they have to do to Self-Realize? Would it be easier for them?

Here is more information concerning this subject:

Paul-Read this from Gurdieff's book, "Beelzebub's Tales to his Grandson." I believe it will answer all of your questions:

BEELZEBUB sighed deeply and continued to speak as follows:
"After the actualizing on this planet of the 'Ilnosoparnian' process, one year, by objective time-calculation, passed.

"During this period there had gradually been coordinated on this planet also the corresponding processes or the involution and evolution of everything arising there.

"And of course there began gradually to be crystallized in the three-brained beings there the corresponding data for the acquisition of objective Reason.

"In short, on this planet also everything had then already begun to proceed in the usual normal order.

"And therefore, my boy, if the Most High Commission under the supreme direction of the same Archangel Sakaki had not, at the end of a year, gone there again, perhaps all the subsequent misunderstandings connected with the three-brained beings arising on that ill-fated planet might not have occurred.

"This second descent of the Most High Commission to that planet was due to the fact that in spite of the measures they had taken, of which I have told you, there had not yet crystallized in the Reasons of the majority of its sacred members a complete assurance of the impossibility of any undesirable surprise in the future, and they now wished to verify on the spot the results of those measures.



"It was just during this second descent that the Most High Commission decided in any event, if only for the sake of their own reassurance, to actualize certain further special measures, among which was also that measure the consequences of which have not only gradually turned into a stupendous terror for the three-brained beings themselves who arise on this ill-fated planet, but have even become, so to say, a malignant sore for the whole of the great Universe.

"You must know that by the time of this second descent of the Most High Commission, there had already gradually been engendered in them—as is proper to three-brained beings—what is called 'mechanical instinct.'

"The sacred members of this Most High Commission then reasoned that if the said mechanical instinct in these biped three-brained beings of that planet should develop towards the attainment of Objective Reason—as usually occurs everywhere among three-brained beings—then it might quite possibly happen that they would prematurely comprehend the real cause of their arising and existence and make a great deal of trouble; it might happen that having understood the reason for their arising, namely, that by their existence they should maintain the detached fragments of their planet, and being convinced of this their slavery to circumstances utterly foreign to them, they would be unwilling to continue their existence and would on principle destroy themselves.

"So, my boy, in view of this the Most High Commission then decided among other things provisionally to implant into the common presences of the three-brained beings there a special organ with a property such that, first, they should perceive reality topsy-turvy and, secondly, that every repeated impression from outside should crystallize in them data which would engender factors for evoking in them sensations of 'pleasure' and 'enjoyment.'

"And then, in fact, with the help of the Chief-Common-Universal-Arch-Chemist-Physicist Angel Looisos, who was also among the members of this Most High Commission, they caused to grow in the three-brained beings there, in a special way, at the base of their spinal column, at the root of their tail—which they also, at that time, still had, and which part of their common presences furthermore still had its normal exterior expressing the, so to say, 'fullness-of-its-inner-significance'—a 'something' which assisted the arising of the said properties in them.

"And this 'something' they then first called the 'organ Kundabuffer.'

"Having made this organ grow in the presences of the three-brained beings and having seen that it would work, the Most High Commission consisting of Sacred Individuals headed by the Archangel Sakaki, reassured and with good consciences, returned to the center, while there, on the planet Earth which has taken your fancy, the action of this astonishing and exceedingly ingenious invention began from the first day to develop, and developed, as the wise Mullah Nassr Eddin would say—'like a Jericho-trumpet-in-crescendo.'

"Now, in order that you may have at least an approximate understanding of the results of the properties of the organ devised and actualized by the incomparable Angel Looisos—blessed be his name to all eternity—it is indispensable that you should know about the various manifestations of the three-brained beings of that planet, not only during the period when this organ Kundabuffer existed in their presences, but also during the later periods when although this astonishing organ and its properties had been destroyed in them, nevertheless, owing to many causes, the consequences of its properties had begun to be crystallized in their presences.

"But this I will explain to you later.

"Meanwhile you must note that there was still a third descent of that Most High Commission to that planet, three years later according to objective time-calculations, but this time it was under the direction of the Most-Great-Arch-Seraph Sevohtartra, the Most Great Archangel Sakaki having, in the meantime, become worthy to become the divine Individual he now is, namely,one of the four Quarter-Maintainers of the whole Universe.


"And during just this third descent there, when it was made clear by the thorough investigations of the sacred members of this third Most High Commission that for the maintenance of the existence of those said detached fragments there was no longer any need to continue in actualization of the deliberately taken anticipatory measures, then among the other measures there was also destroyed, with the help of the same Arch-Chemist-Physicist Angel Looisos, in the presences of the three-brained beings there, the said organ Kundabuffer with all its astonishing properties.

"But let us return to the tale I began.

"Now listen. When our confusion, caused by the recent catastrophe that had menaced that whole solar system, had passed off, we slowly, after this unexpected interruption, resumed the settlement of our new place on the planet Mars.

"Little by little we all of us made ourselves familiar with the local Nature and adapted ourselves to the existing conditions.

"As I have already said, many of us definitely settled down on the planet Mars; and others, by the ship Occasion which had been put at the disposal of the beings of our tribe for interplanetary communication, either went or prepared to go to exist on other planets of the same solar system.

"But I with my kinsmen and some of my near attendants remained to exist on that planet Mars.

"Yes, I must note that by the time to which my tale refers, my first Teskooano had already been set up in the observatory which I had constructed on the planet Mars and I was just then devoting myself entirely to the further organization and development of this observatory of mine, for the more detailed observation of the remote concentrations of our great Universe and of the planets of this solar system.

"Among the objects of my observations, then, was also this planet Earth.

"Time passed.

"The process of existence on this planet also began gradually to be established and it seemed, from all appearances, that the process of existence was proceeding there just as on all other planets.

"But by close observation, first, it could be clearly seen that the numbers of these three-brained beings were gradually increasing and, secondly, it was possible sometimes to observe very strange manifestations of theirs, that is, from time to time they did something which was never done by three-brained beings on other planets, namely, they would suddenly, without rhyme or reason, begin destroying one another's existence.

"Sometimes this destruction of one another's existence proceeded there not in one region alone but in several, and would last not just one 'Dionosk' but many 'Dionosks' and sometimes even for whole 'Ornakras.' (Dionosk signifies 'day'; Ornakra signifies 'month.')

"It was sometimes very noticeable also that from this horrible process of theirs their numbers rapidly diminished; but on the other hand, during other periods, when there was a lull in these processes, their numbers also very noticeably increased.

"To this peculiarity of theirs we gradually got used, having explained it to ourselves that obviously, for certain higher considerations, these properties also must deliberately have been given to the organ Kundabuffer by the Most High Commission; in other words, seeing the fecundity of these biped beings, we assumed that this had been done with aforethought, in view of the necessity that they should exist in such large numbers for the needs of the maintenance of the common-cosmic Harmonious Movement.

"Had it not been for this strange peculiarity of theirs, then it would never have entered anybody's head that there was anything 'queer' on that planet.

"During the period to which the aforesaid refers, I visited most of the planets of that solar system, the populated and the as yet unpopulated.

"Personally I liked best of all the three-centered beings breeding on the planet bearing the name Saturn, whose exterior is quite unlike ours, but resembles that of the being-bird raven.

"It is interesting, by the way, to remark that for some reason or other, the form of being-bird raven breeds not only on almost all the planets of this solar system, but also on most of those other planets of the whole of our great Universe upon which beings of various brain systems arise and are coated with planetary bodies of different forms.

"The verbal intercourse of these beings, ravens, of that planet Saturn is something like ours.

"But in regard to their utterance, it is in my opinion the most beautiful of any I have ever heard.

"It can be compared to the singing of our best singers when with all their Being they sing in a minor key.

"And as for their relations with others, they—I don't even know how to describe them—can be known only by existing among them and by experiencing them oneself.

"All that can be said is that these bird-beings have hearts exactly like those of the angels nearest our ENDLESS MAKER AND CREATOR.

"They exist strictly according to the ninth commandment of our CREATOR, namely: 'Do unto another's as you would do unto your own.'

"Later, I must certainly tell you much more in detail about those three-brained beings also who arise and exist on the planet Saturn, since one of my real friends during the whole period of my exile in that solar system was a being of just that planet, who had the exterior coating of a raven and whose name was 'Harharkh.'"
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Revision: January 1, 1999

[Aristocrates]

I have a few questions regarding all of this.

First of all, assuming these 'Lemurians' had the whole of the cosmos reflected within them, so much that they were able to identify themselves with it, didn't they also realize they could become masters instead of just mechanical drones of nature for which they were originally created? Or identify with those who had?
Or was this ability just limited to one dimension?

Is that why we don't interact directly with angels on a face to face basis daily, because we're meant to be fundamentally isolated from the divine just as the Lemurians were, simply for the sake of the planet?

I've heard the kundabuffer organ being referred to here as an 'ingenious invention' if I remember correct.
Wouldn't it have been better to communicate with the beings instead of creating mechanisms within them?
Why can't we just have governments consisting of deities, similar to how the Pharoahs were percieved?
They are too busy settling other planets, and they're too few and far between, or just cannot communicate with us?

Excuse my bluntness, but all of this just sounds fishy to me, or too entrenched in the sublime to be plausable. If in fact the Lemurians as we are, were capable of "objective reasoning", then why not attempt to 'reason with them'? Where is the relationship here between corporeal beings and divine ones? In all of these stories and biblical ones there always sounds like a major unexplainable gap.

[Chela]

First of all, assuming these 'Lemurians' had the whole of the cosmos reflected within them, so much that they were able to identify themselves with it, didn't they also realize they could become masters instead of just mechanical drones of nature for which they were originally created? Or identify with those who had? Or was this ability just limited to one dimension?

They did not want to get stuck in the wheel of Good and Evil. They knew good, but they did not want to experience evil. Yet, for the betterment of the cosmos, it is good to know evil. Lemurians, although beginning to obtain a level of objective reasoning, were like children: innocent, not knowing good and evil.

Is that why we don't interact directly with angels on a face to face basis daily, because we're meant to be fundamentally isolated from the divine just as the Lemurians were, simply for the sake of the planet?

The reason we do not interact with angels on a face to face basis daily is because our consciousness is asleep. Awaken your consciousness and you can speak to anyone you wish.

Why do angels not make themselves known to the world? Well, in truth they do. And every time it occurs, the world spits on their face and hates them!

I've heard the kundabuffer organ being referred to here as an 'ingenious invention' if I remember correct.
Wouldn't it have been better to communicate with the beings instead of creating mechanisms within them?
Why can't we just have governments consisting of deities, similar to how the Pharoahs were percieved?
They are too busy settling other planets, and they're too few and far between, or just cannot communicate with us?

I am glad my mother and father made me eat my vegetables when I was child, because if I had to choose, I would have eaten chocolate all day. In the same way, the Lemurians needed to know evil for their own sake and for the sake of the planet.

Excuse my bluntness, but all of this just sounds fishy to me, or too entrenched in the sublime to be plausable. If in fact the Lemurians as we are, were capable of "objective reasoning", then why not attempt to 'reason with them'? Where is the relationship here between corporeal beings and divine ones? In all of these stories and biblical ones there always sounds like a major unexplainable gap.

The level of objective reasoning developed in Lemurains was very little. It is stated that they began to form objective reasoning, not that they contained it in abundance. This is how I understand it.

[Aristocrates]

So let me get this straight. Angels basicly formed a 'preventative' move out of fear of what humans 'might' do, not that they actually did much of anything wrong. How then was the evolution of the people going wrong to the point where something like the kundabuffer would need to be created? They evolved toward objective reasoning too fast?

So, I'm guessing, what happened in this world, doesn't usually happen? In an IDEAL situation, where such a catastrophe of 'needing' to create a false dillusion mechanism in humanity wouldn't be necessary, what does the picture look like? And whose fault was this, the humans or those who created the humans? Can the blame be squarely pitted on the shoulders of our creators? Us? Or nobody at all?

The one who invented the kundabuffer organ, is that the Ialdabaoth? I have heard about the Ialdabaoth talked about on other Gnostic sites/literature, but not so much here. Where people think God is a false or ignorant god, incarnated ignorantly, and a higher truth exists beyond him that we have to realize.

[Chela]

So let me get this straight. Angels basicly formed a 'preventative' move out of fear of what humans 'might' do, not that they actually did much of anything wrong. How then was the evolution of the people going wrong to the point where something like the kundabuffer would need to be created? They evolved toward objective reasoning too fast?

So, I'm guessing, what happened in this world, doesn't usually happen? In an IDEAL situation, where such a catastrophe of 'needing' to create a false dillusion mechanism in humanity wouldn't be necessary, what does the picture look like? And whose fault was this, the humans or those who created the humans? Can the blame be squarely pitted on the shoulders of our creators? Us? Or nobody at all?

The one who invented the kundabuffer organ, is that the Ialdabaoth? I have heard about the Ialdabaoth talked about on other Gnostic sites/literature, but not so much here. Where people think God is a false or ignorant god, incarnated ignorantly, and a higher truth exists beyond him that we have to realize.

This planet needs to develop just as its hosts (man) need to develop, and the solar system this planet is hosted by also needs to develop. If they refused to enter into the physical world, then a big wrench is thrown into the machinery of creation.

It is explained in the above posts that the kundabuffer is inserted into all other humanities. The difference is that on "normal" planets they only form about 10% of ego entrapping consciousness, unlike this planet which has about 97% of its consciousness trapped in the ego. Our planet has past mistakes related with the Gods that occurred in previous Cosmic Days. Sakaki had done his job many times and when he go to Earth, he was an "expert" perhaps, yet made a mistake because he forgot about the special karma of this Earth (he forgot to remember his God), which resulted in making he mistake.

The Demiurge are the Cosmos Creators. They create both good and evil; Samael is clear that even Gods make mistakes and that the Absolute is far beyond God. Yet, there is also our psychological Demiurge, which he have used in order to create a lot of evil in our minds. That purely ignorant God many "Gnostics" speak of is really their own minds, they fail to understand that religion is essentially a psychological teaching, and continue to think as in medieval times, pointing their finger at some anthropomorphic demon for all their suffering!

[Aristocrates]

Ok so, basicly what this story is comming down to, is that looking at it in black and white isn't the best, because theres alot of gray areas, like angels making a mistake but to only to an extent due to lack of "judgement" on their part, for lack of a better word ( not being aware of the true past karma of their own monad/god?). And what you're essentially saying, if I can confirm this, is that the concept of the Ialdabaoth is a good explanation in metaphorical terms, but only existentially represents a truth which is actually much less idiosyncratic in nature than a powerful, ignorant, tyrant creator. The Ialdabaoth essentially just made an error, but is in fact alot wiser and is more than qualified to have fit the role of creator, kind of like a 'bump' in his long career if you will.

Let me ask, if THIS is the case. Why hasn't religion or traditions taken it upon themselves to inspire humanity to 'forgive' god, as well as ask forgiveness of god? It would be obvious to me, that such an idea could have drasticly helped humanity to reconnect with the one who had unintentionally "wronged", for lack of a better word, this humanity? There may not have been as many failures, or people who would spit on and torture the prophets and angels who come to help.

[Chela]

I made a typo in my last post, when I said "he have used in order to create a lot of evil in our minds," I meant to say WE, not He.

I do not understand exactly how Yaldabaoth is used in all the different Gnostic texts, and I do not know if they are specfically referring to the mistake of Sakaki. Samael says that "Sophia, as Verb, is Yaldabaoth in complete action." (Pisits Sophia Unveild, chapter 31), yet he also refers to Yaldabaoth as the 49 subconscious levels of the mind, and the 49 demons of the Yaldabaoth (as referred to by the Gnostics) must be comprehended and dissolved. Yaldabaoth is Creation itself, the action of creation, and creation manifests within the Good and the Evil, therefore when Yaldabaoth is supressed by the lion-faced ruler of the chaos, the subjective intellect, the 49th demons of Yaldabaoth are birthed. This is how I understand it.

Although Sakaki had and has a totally awakened consciosness, he made a mistake because he forgot is inner Kether, his inner God, his inner Father. The Father is the only one who is perfect. This is why Jesus says, "Take this cup of bitterness away from me, but only if it is thy will..." Here Jesus is remembering his Father, because if he did just what he wanted to do, he might of made a mistake.

I do not know the answer to your last question.

[Aristocrates]

So allow me to recap, during the creation and oversight of worlds, it is necessary to create the kundabuffer organ as a rule at a certain point in time when the humanity begins to develop objective reasoning, in order to prevent mass suicide. It's just the extent of the propogation of that organ was disproportionate to the amount of karma of that one's own monad and the planet?

Do I have everything correct so far?

Another question, what would have happened had the Lemurians self-realized themselves and had not been tempted? Or is temptation itself necessary for self realization?

The amount of evil and karma in this planet is very great, in comparison with other worlds right?
Does this mean those who overcome the evil become greater buddhas than those who have had to deal with less temptation and less evil? Hence are there varying degrees of evolution and buddhahood?
I know for instance it was mentioned there are different points of evolution for those who get out of the illusion of physical reality: elementals, buddhas/masters, gods. But is there gray area between and above those points? Or are they absolutes, like stages?

[Chela]

So allow me to recap, during the creation and oversight of worlds, it is necessary to create the kundabuffer organ as a rule at a certain point in time when the humanity begins to develop objective reasoning, in order to prevent mass suicide. It's just the extent of the propogation of that organ was disproportionate to the amount of karma of that one's own monad and the planet?

Do I have everything correct so far?

Yes, the kundabuffer is necessary, not only for that but to also provide the lunar energies needed to stabilize the planet's crust, and also the intellectual animal's physical senses as it emerges into the first three dimensions. When Eve ate the fruit, it is writtten that her eyes were opened (the physical senses were developed). Understand that the Lemurians were not seeing the physical world with clarity, only the internal worlds at that point of development. It is necessary to see the physical world because this is "The Mixture" or the final unfolding of all God's powers. Only when they are unfolded is it possible to know them, thus, God knows himself when his Fohat (Monad) climbs back up through self will.

These lunar energies accumulate throughout our evolution and form the lunar bodies (ego). As an animal soul, to fornicate is good and that is why animals fornicate, but as intellectual animals, it is not good to fornicate. As intellectual animals, it is good to perform sexual transmutation, because this is the level of sexuality fit for a human being.

Another question, what would have happened had the Lemurians self-realized themselves and had not been tempted? Or is temptation itself necessary for self realization?

To become a Master means to master one's own energies, symbolized as the four elements, in both good and evil. The limit of good is evil, the limit of evil is good. To go beyond good and evil, as God is, one must know both good and evil. In order to master the art of swimming, one must dive into the water. In order to become a sculptor, one must work with the clay. In order to know good and evil, one must experience good and evil.

The amount of evil and karma in this planet is very great, in comparison with other worlds right?
Does this mean those who overcome the evil become greater buddhas than those who have had to deal with less temptation and less evil? Hence are there varying degrees of evolution and buddhahood?
I know for instance it was mentioned there are different points of evolution for those who get out of the illusion of physical reality: elementals, buddhas/masters, gods. But is there gray area between and above those points? Or are they absolutes, like stages?

Fire is temptation, triumph over temptation is light. The greater the fire, the greater the light. This world offers a lot of fire. So yes, this is a great opportunity for us, we are sitting a pile of rocket fuel which will either destroy us or will send us into the firmament.

There are infinite levels of being. Even when someone chooses the straight path, there are different levels of objective reasoning, related with the horns or tridents of Lucifer.

[Aristocrates]

Thank you for answering my questions, it is very good to have someone to ask questions to. I try very hard to understand things like this, and this was a great help, if in fact all of this is true.

[student]

Thank you for answering my questions, it is very good to have someone to ask questions to. I try very hard to understand things like this, and this was a great help, if in fact all of this is true.

So it is written!

Genesis 6: 5-7: “And Elohim saw that the wickedness of (the terrestrial) man was great in the earth (Earth = Malkuth, Assiah or Egypt), and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And Iod-Havah repented that he had created (the terrestrial) man on the earth (Earth = Malkuth, Assiah or Egypt), and it grieved him at his heart.

And Iod-Havah said, I will destroy (the terrestrial) man whom I have created from the face of the earth (Earth = Malkuth, Assiah or Egypt); both (the terrestrial) man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repented me that I have created them.”