On Violet Flame Response Options

[aeofe]

Take this in whatever way is most beneficial to your own self-knowledge,

That last response posted to the violet flame topic seemed quite reactionary and ridiculous

and on top of that- the post was locked? that is so strange...

Do you think Samael would have ever done that- or any master for that matter?


Today's highly materialistic and ignorant society seems to be suffering from germophobia- a disease wherein people think that we must completely eliminate all "bacteria"-. They hold this opinion in ignorance of the positive role bacteria plays for the human being.

In most modern "mystical" cults- we sometimes see people afraid of anything that contradicts their opinions in regards to mysticism- it is a similar disease-

Did you know that for the well being of the human organism- we need good bacteria---it helps the develpment of our immune system....so that we can fight off disease better?

This biological rule is mirrored in psychology.

Samael, for example, recommended we study the docrtine of DARWIN---- the very doctrine that he understood as misleading --- do you know why?

So that we learn how to discern between the good and the bad fruit as individuals
and moreover- so that we can teach others about anthropology with a knowledge of their way of thinking.


Perhaps I am wrong in this matter. Perhaps I am right.I think this is worth reflecting on.

[Paul G.]

This forum is made available solely for the expression and clarification of Gnosis.

This is not an "open forum" where anyone can come and express their opinion, gather followers, or sell their products (material or spiritual).

Posts and topics which are not concerned with the teachings of Gnosis will be removed.

Yes, you are right in that we must cultivate respect for one another with the freedom to speak openly, but that does not mean we accept something ludicrous when we know it is wrong.

Rebecca gave the reasons. She wasn't reactionary. Her job is to warn people of misleading information, and especially regarding "mysticism" there is a lot of it out there. :hypocrite:

[Avaran]

>Did you know that for the well being of the human organism- we need good bacteria---it helps the development of our immune system....so that we can fight off disease better?

Yes you are quite right, we do need bacteria. It is not all bad.

>This biological rule is mirrored in psychology.

I take this to mean we need the "good" psychological bacteria. I would further define "good" psychological bacteria to indicate the Superior Emotional stimuli found in life (nature, music, etc.)

However, you also seem to think that the bad bacteria, the ones that make us sick physically or are undesirable, we should also be exposed to. Let us reflect...


I think it is quite clear that Samael wanting us to study the theories of Darwins or any other person who may contradict the doctrine of Samael for our discerning of Good and Bad, should be seen objectively.

As we know Good and Bad are things we "intellectual animals" are terrible bad at objectively evaluating. We who do not possess a true Being, but only a perverse array of psychological aggregates (Egos) are not in a position to judge Good and Bad. The Consciousness (which we must awaken) is where objective knowledge and reasoning are found, and therefore when approaching theories which we need to reflect upon, it is necessary we have the tools that Samael and many masters have shown us for developing the ability to evaluate and assess.

For those who do not possess the faculties necessary to objectively see the 'good' from the 'bad' bacteria, they must be very careful. To use a worn out metaphor, many are they who are wolves in sheeps clothing. Many are they whose doctrine appears white and pure but on the inside is black and devolving. Many are the black magicians who work to fool and confuse humanity.

The students who begin this long and difficult journey on the paths of the razor's edge are notoriously manipulatable. The moderators here do a very good job of weeding out the bad information. What Rebecca4 said should be a clue as to the nature of the "bad bacteria" coming from said organization. These are things that certain individuals can verify in the internal worlds. For those that can't, it is better that they have it pulled from their eyes. Mothers know when and how to protect their children. Sometimes exposing them to things are good for their development, however, sometimes detrimental. I think the moderators and adminstrators of this website have done a superb job in this area.

[rmike]

aeofe, I come to this forum because I don't like having to sift through random garbage about alien abductions, violet flames, yeti, or whatever else. I'm aware of the wealth of occult and pseudo-occult knowledge that exists. If I'm interested in such things, I will go to google.com and investigate.

If you were to use the forum feature that allows you to view people's post histories, you would see that the moderators here allow a generouse amount of junk to be posted before they intervene.

[Isabel]

Master Samael clearly stated, over and over that mediumism and spiritualISM are black magic.
That is why we do not study, relate to or propagate the teachings of the that lady related with violet flames or any other channeler.
All of the channels of the Gnostic initiate are utilised by the fire of Devi Kundalini. The winds and channels of the physical, vital, astral, mental or causal vehicles should never be corrupted by the presence of anything other than the Being and It's many parts.
Therefore, the teachings, seminars, books, websites etc of mediums are corrupted by the very spirits that are taking over the physical vessels of the mediums.
The count St Germain does not need a medium or a channeler because he is a great resurrected master!
He has a physical body, perfectly preserved by the techniques of Jinn science (not to mention resurrection).

Those who claim to channel Master Morya, St Germain, Cagliostro, Abraham etc are in contact with earthbound spirits, klippothic dwellers and demons that lie and use the physical bodies of ignorant humanoids. These spirits use the lips of the ignorant, passive ones in order mix great truth with lies and more lies.

Do you think that sly demons wouldn't possess someone and speak with sweet words containing subtle messages? Do you think that all possession looks like the movies? Possession and obsession are always negative, destructive and a blasphemy.

That is why the teachings of the mediums are dangerous and poisonous. That was taught by the Master Samael, that is why it is taught here.

[Rebecca4]

This type of oracles were very common in ancient Atlantis; this is how this suffering humanity fell in the hands of Javhe and his black lodge and this is how still many lazy people who lost their psychic abilities follow the Baalim from Klipoth!

We Gnostics know very well that Hitler understood these things and nonetheless still he let himself be dazzled by the "Man with the green gloves" who belonged to the Dag Dugpa Clan.

This black Tibetan monk from the clan of Dag Dugpa was the one who “through his oracles” taught Hitler how to crystallize everything negatively. This is why (in the second world war) the Dag Dugpa monks in the streets of Lhasa were celebrating the capitulation of Berlin (when Hitler fell into their hands completely, and he became a Hannasmuss, who then began all of his craziness).

The Second World War was a duel between the Gnostic teachings of Gurdjieff and that of the Dag Dugpas. This duel was imported from Tibet and it was a war between the white and black magicians of Tibet.

These black magicians are again very active in South America among many pseudo-Gnostic groups who fall fascinated with this type of pseudo-esotericism from these Mediums – or Channellers, to be more specific with this pseudo-esotericist term - of this day and age!

After nearly forty years in exile under the leadership of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the chances of achieving our goal of freedom for Tibet continues to improve. Tibetans stand out among all the refugees in the world for their unique achievements. This is no doubt the result of the Tibetan people's courage and perseverance in attempting to restore the freedom of their country, which they enjoyed for more than two thousand years of its recorded history. However, we are yet to achieve the ultimate triumph. Obstructive factors of various kinds, emanating from beings of both the form and formless realms, continue to hinder our efforts.

His Holiness the Dalai Lama has investigated these obstructions and their causes for many years. One of the findings of his investigations is that depending on the spirit, Dolgyal, otherwise known as Dorje Shugden or Gyalchen Shugden, conflicts with Tibet's two protector-deities (Nechung and Palden Lhamo) as well as the protector-deity of the Gelugpa tradition, Pledge-holding Dharmaraja (Damchen Choegyal). The inclination of this spirit is to harm, rather than benefit, the cause of Tibet!”

So, we, the serious Gnostics who work with all of the techniques of the Red Christ of Aquarius, Samael Aun Weor, are not going to fall in the same snare again, and worship all of those demons from Klipoth!