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[Aristocrates]

So from the lectures, I notice it is said lucifer is the sexual force itself? And Satan is just related with the ego, and fornication, abuse of the sexual force?

Question, why does the bible describe lucifer as a bright morning star, who is fallen? Is this symbolic language, or is the sexual force related with a morning star, or what I've seen other places described as venus. I'm a little confused on this.

[samanera]

Yeshua Ben Pandera is referred to as "the Morning Star" in the Book of Revelation as well("Christus-Lucifer"?).

Lucifer (Latin: lux, lucis, luce, luci, and lucu: “light”; fer, fero: “to bear, carry, support, lift, hold, take up”; these synthesize as “Bearer of Light”)

Before Milton, Lucifer had never been a name of the devil. One of the early Popes of Rome bore that name, and there was even a Christian sect in the fourth century which was called the Luciferians. In Universal Gnosticism, Lucifer is the shadow of the Christ.

This is a topic I've been wanting to discuss lately; and I have some very interesting quotes from H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine"(which Samael Aun Weor recommends that we study) regarding Satan and Lucifer that I'd like to post, in light of the Gospel of Judas lecture of Samael Aun Weor.

(H.P.B. even refers to Satan as "the highest divine spirit")


It seems that Jehovah and Satan play the same, or switch roles at times in the Bible; Satan even sometimes sent by Jehovah(or Jahve?) to carry out certain jobs(remember it's taught by Samael Aun Weor that Jehovah is the Logos, and that Jahve is the chief of demons).


Though if I'm not mistaken, Samael Aun Weor makes a reference to Jahve declaring something in the Bible as well("Jahve called the Jewish people "my chosen people"."?)

So it would be nice to know if one could see in the original Hebrew Bible, a difference between Jehovah, Jahve, and Satan, in the written characters of the original language.

Or maybe one has only to understand the context, in order to know which is being referred to?

Klipoth

"The sacred Scriptures say that Javhe then took Jesus the Great Kabir up into a high mountain and tempted him by saying: "ITABABO all these kingdoms of the world will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."

"Then, the great Master Jesus answered: "Get thee hence Satan: for it is written, Thou shall worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

"Finally, it is written that Javhe brought Jesus to Jerusalem and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him: "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence; for it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone."

"And Jesus answering said unto him, it is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" and when Javhe had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season."

Try this topic:

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...;f=2&t=1231



But it still seems unclear, as to the specific roles of Christ(Jehovah, the positive aspect of Lucifer?), Lucifer(the Sexual, Creative Force?) and Satan(the negative aspect of the sexual energy/Christ's Shadow/the sum of our egos?)



The following is relevant in relation to SAT, AIN, The Seity:

Hamzah: The Sound of Silence

Hu: the Divine Will

In the Egyptian system, Hu meant will. But the Arabic system associated Hu with Sa to the point that the Arabic word for Sa (Shay) came to mean will.

The Egyptians understood that two wills operated in woman and man. The "ordinary" will was symbolised as Heru (Horus) while the divine will was symbolised as Tehuti. It was the work of the initiate to bring the Heru (human) will into accord with the Hu (divine) will.

When the two wills were at odds, the result was (in Arabic) shaytaan. Shaytaan (Satan) actually means "two wills". (The word shayt means will and "aan" means two).

AIN: "Sympathy for the Devil"

In the Canaanite Kabalah, the highest level of existence and consciousness is called 'Ain Soph Ur. Those words are usually translated "not limited light."

They are also considered three veils of negative existence.

At the 'ain Soph Ur level energy/matter is undifferentiated.

The Arabic 'ain ﻉ is an extension of the Hamza. It looks like a smaller hamza atop a much larger one...


...The Eye of Heru



'Ain means "Eye" and the eye to which it refers is the famous Eye of Heru which originally was the Eye of Ra.

This "eye" refers to the awakening clairvoyance, the pineal gland and the ajna (Third Eye) chakra.

'Ain also means "fountain" and that symbolizes the endocrine system's (especially the pineal's) reaction to a fully activated Third Eye.

When the pituitary is stimulated, it stimulates the pineal and vice-versa. Hormones such as melatonin then flow and those secretions are a "fountain" or cascade of chemicals which benefit all levels of being

Repeated stimulations and flows of endocrine secretions result in an "anointing" such that one becomes a messiah (anointed one).

The 'Ain Soph Ur actually represents the Fountain/Eye ('Ain), the Wisdom (Soph) achieved from developing the Eye and the energy/light/ur necessary to bring this all about.

Thy cakes shall come from the Utchat
(Eye of Heru or Ra), thy ale shall come
from the Utchat, and the offerings which
shall appear to thee at the word upon
earth [shall proceed] from the Utchat.

- Pert chapter 125:44-46

[samanera]

Well let's take a look at H.P. Blavatsky's philosophy, and get an idea as to whether or not there's a anthropomorphic mystery god or spook devil that we should fear.

I've found myself laughing quite a bit at her humour when she points out the smug, hypocritical statements of the religious fanatics and their anthropomorphic gods and devils.

But then again, I can see how one might feel a little uneasy(as I was regarding certain statements) when seeing that she seems to be quite fond of "Satan"(our Internal Shadow of God?)

Many were the hints thrown out in this direction in "Isis Unveiled," and a still greater number of references to this mystery may be found scattered throughout these volumes. To make the point clear once for all: that which the clergy of every dogmatic religion -- pre-eminently the Christian -- points out as Satan, the enemy of God, is in reality, the highest divine Spirit -- (occult Wisdom on Earth) -- in its naturally antagonistic character to every worldly, evanescent illusion, dogmatic or ecclesiastical religions included. Thus, the Latin Church, intolerant, bigoted and cruel to all who do not choose to be its slaves; the Church which calls itself the bride of Christ, and the trustee at the same time of Peter, to whom the rebuke of the Master "get thee behind me Satan" was justly addressed; and again the Protestant Church which, while calling itself Christian, paradoxically replaces the New Dispensation by the old "Law of Moses" which Christ openly repudiated: both these Churches are fighting against divine Truth, when repudiating and slandering the Dragon of esoteric (because divine) Wisdom. Whenever anathematizing the Gnostic Solar Chnouphis -- the Agathodaemon -- Christos, or the theosophical Serpent of Eternity, or even the Serpent of Genesis -- they are moved by the same Spirit of dark fanaticism that moved the Pharisees to curse Jesus by saying to him "Say we not well thou hast a devil?"

Turning to the Bible, we find Satan, one of the "Sons of God" (Job. i. 6), becoming in exoteric interpretation the Devil, and the Dragon in its infernal, evil sense. But in the Kabala ("Book of Numbers") Samael, who is Satan, is shown to be identical with St. Michael, the slayer of the Dragon. How is this? For it is said that Tselem (the image) reflects alike Michael and Samael who are one. Both proceed, it is taught, from Ruach (Spirit), Neschamah (Soul) and Nephesch (life). In the "Chaldean Book of Numbers" Samael is the concealed (occult) Wisdom, and Michael the higher terrestrial Wisdom, both emanating from the same source but diverging after their issue from the mundane soul, which on Earth is Mahat (intellectual understanding, or Manas (the seat of Intellect). They diverge, because one (Michael) is influenced by Neschamah, while the other (Samael) remains uninfluenced. This tenet was perverted by the dogmatic spirit of the Church; which, loathing independent Spirit, uninfluenced by the external form (hence by dogma), forthwith made of Samael-Satan (the most wise and spiritual spirit of all) -- the adversary of its anthropomorphic God and sensual physical man, the DEVIL!

H.P. Blavatsky on Eliphas Levi on Lucifer:

IS PLEROMA SATAN'S LAIR?

"Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation, it serves to create and to destroy, and the Fall of Adam was an erotic intoxication which has rendered his generation a slave to this fatal light . . . every sexual passion that overpowers our senses is a whirlwind of that light which seeks to drag us towards the abyss of death, Folly. Hallucinations, visions, ecstasies are all forms of a very dangerous excitation due to this interior phosphorus (?). Thus light, finally, is of the nature of fire, the intelligent use of which warms and vivifies, and the excess of which, on the contrary, dissolves and annihilates. Thus man is called upon to assume a sovereign empire over that (astral) light and conquer thereby his immortality, and is threatened at the same time with being intoxicated, absorbed, and eternally destroyed by it. This light, therefore, inasmuch as it is devouring, revengeful, and fatal, would thus really be hell-fire, the serpent of the legend; the tormented errors of which it is full, the tears and the gnashing of teeth of the abortive beings it devours, the phantom of life that escapes them, and seems to mock and insult their agony, all this would be the devil or Satan indeed." (Histoire de la Magie, p. 197).

According to the Rosicrucian tenets, as handled and explained by the profane for once correctly, if only partially, so "Light and Darkness are identical in themselves, being only divisible in the human mind"; and according to Robert Fludd, "Darkness adopted illumination in order to make itself visible" (On Rosenkranz). According to the tenets of Eastern Occultism, DARKNESS is the one true actuality, the basis and the root of light, without which the latter could never manifest itself, nor even exist. Light is matter, and DARKNESS pure Spirit. Darkness, in its radical, metaphysical basis, is subjective and absolute light; while the latter in all its seeming effulgence and glory, is merely a mass of shadows, as it can never be eternal, and is simply an illusion, or Maya.

Even in the mind-baffling and science-harassing Genesis, light is created out of darkness "and darkness was upon the face of the deep" (ch. i. v. 2.) -- and not vice versa. "In him (in darkness) was life; and the life was the light of men" (John i. 4). A day may come when the eyes of men will be opened; and then they may comprehend better than they do now, that verse in the Gospel of John that says "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehendeth it not." They will see then that the word "darkness" does not apply to man's spiritual eyesight, but indeed to "Darkness," the absolute, that comprehendeth not (cannot cognize) transient light, however transcendent to human eyes. Demon est Deus inversus. The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas, in the Bible he is called the "Son of God" (see Job), the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer (see Isaiah). There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (Lucifer), the "Luminous Son of the Morning," or manvantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma. (See Book II.)

For, as is said in Hermes, "Satan is the door-keeper of the Temple of the King; he standeth in Solomon's porch; he holdeth the key of the Sanctuary, that no man enter therein, save the Anointed having the arcanum of Hermes" (v. 20 and 21).

These suggestive and majestic verses had reference with the ancient Egyptians and other civilized peoples of antiquity to the creative and generative light of the Logos (Horus, Brahma, Ahura-Mazda, etc., etc., as primeval manifestations of the ever-unmanifested Principle, e.g., Ain-Soph, Parabrahm, or Zeruana Akerne-- Boundless Time -- Kala), but the

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[[Footnote continued from previous page]] incarnating angels. Says the letter: "Now there are, and there must be, failures in the ethereal races of the many classes of Dhyan-Chohans, or Devas (progressed entities of a previous planetary period), as well as among men. But still, as the failures are too far progressed and spiritualized to be thrown back forcibly from Dhyan-Chohanship into the vortex of a new primordial evolution through the lower Kingdoms, this then happens. Where a new solar system has to be evolved these Dhyan-Chohans are borne in by influx 'ahead' of the Elementals (Entities . . . to be developed into humanity at a future time) and remain as a latent or inactive spiritual force, in the aura of a nascent world . . . until the stage of human evolution is reached. . . . Then they become an active force and commingle with the Elementals, to develop little by little the full type of humanity." That is to say, to develop in, and endow man with his Self-conscious mind, or Manas.

* When the earth with its planetary chain and man were to appear.

** Our earth and the physical plane of consciousness.

*** When the pure, celestial Being (Dhyan Chohan) and the great Pitris of various classes were commissioned -- the one to evolve their images (Chhaya), and make of them physical man, the others to inform and thus endow him with divine intelligence and the comprehension of the Mysteries of Creation.

**** The "dynasties of the kings" who all regard themselves as the "anointed," reigning "by the Grace of God," whereas in truth, they reign by the grace of matter, the great Illusion, the Deceiver.


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meaning is now degraded in the Kabala. The "Anointed," who has the secrets and mysteries of Hermes (Buddha, Wisdom), and who alone is entrusted with the key to the "Sanctuary," the Womb of nature, in order to fructify it and call to active life and being the whole Kosmos, has become, with the Jews, Jehovah, the "God of generation" on the lunar mountain (Sinai, the mountain of the moon, "Sin"). The "Sanctuary" has become the "Holy of Holies," and the arcanum has been anthropomorphised and phallicised and dragged down into matter, indeed. Hence arose the necessity of making of the "Dragon of Wisdom," the Serpent of Genesis: of the conscious god who needed a body to clothe his too subjective divinity, Satan. But the "innumerable incarnations of Spirit," and "the ceaseless pulse and current of desire" refer, the first one, to our doctrine of Karmic and cyclic rebirths, the second -- to EROS, not the later god of material, physiological love, but to the divine desire in the gods, as well as in all nature, to create and give life to Beings. This, the Rays of the one "dark," because invisible and incomprehensible, FLAME could achieve only by themselves descending into matter. Therefore, as continued in the APPENDIX:

12. "Many names hath God given him (Satan), names of mystery, secret and terrible."

13. "The Adversary, because matter opposeth Spirit. Time accuseth even the Saints of the Lord."

28, 29, 31. "Stand in awe of him, and sin not; speak his name with trembling . . . . For Satan is the magistrate of the justice of God (Karma); he beareth the balance and the sword . . . . For to him are committed Weight and Measure and Number."

Compare the last sentence with what the Rabbi, who explains the Kabala to Prince Al-Chazari in the Book of that name, says; and it will be found that the Weight and Measure and Number are, in Sepher Jezirah, the attributes of the Sephiroth (the three Sephrim, or figures, ciphers) covering the whole collective number of 10; and that the Sephiroth are the collective Adam Kadmon, the "Heavenly Man" or the Logos. Thus Satan and the anointed were identified in ancient thought. Therefore,

33. "Satan is the minister of God, Lord of the seven mansions of Hades" . . . .

The seven or Saptaloka of the Earth with the Hindus; for Hades, or the Limbo of Illusion, of which theology makes a region bordering on Hell, is simply our globe, the Earth, and thus Satan is called --

33 ". . . . the angel of the manifest Worlds."

It is "Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god," and this without any allusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity. For he is one with the Logos, "the first son, eldest of the gods," in the order


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of microcosmic (divine) evolution; Saturn (Satan), astronomically, "is the seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation, being the circumference of the kingdom of which Phoebus (the light of wisdom, also the Sun) is the centre." The Gnostics were right, then, in calling the Jewish god "an angel of matter," or he who breathed (conscious) life into Adam, and he whose planet was Saturn.

34. "And God hath put a girdle about his loins (the rings of Saturn), and the name of the girdle is Death."

In anthropogony this "girdle" is the human body with its two lower principles, which three die, while the innermost man is immortal. And now we approach the "Secret of Satan."

37, 38, 39. " . . . Upon Satan only is the shame of generation. He hath lost his virginal estate (so hath the Kumara by incarnating): uncovering heavenly secrets, he hath entered into bondage. . . . He compasseth with bonds and limits all things. . . ."

42, 43, 44. "Twain are the armies of God: in heaven the hosts of Michael; in the abyss (the manifested world) the legions of Satan. These are the unmanifest and the manifest; the free and the bound (in matter): the virginal and the fallen. And both are the Ministers of the Father, fulfilling the word Divine. . . ." Therefore --

55. "Holy is the Sabbath of god: blessed and sanctified is the name of the Angel of Havas" -- SATAN.

For, "The glory of Satan is the shadow of the Lord": God in the manifested world; "the throne of Satan is the footstool of Adonai" -- that footstool being the whole Kosmos. (Vide Part II., "Is Pleroma Satan's Lair?")

When the Church, therefore, curses Satan, it curses the cosmic reflection of God; it anathematizes God made manifest in matter or in the objective; it maledicts God, or the ever-incomprehensible WISDOM, revealing itself as Light and Shadow, good and evil in nature, in the only manner comprehensible to the limited intellect of MAN.

This is the true philosophical and metaphysical interpretation of Samael, or Satan, the adversary in the Kabala; the same tenets and spirit being found in the allegorical interpretations of every other ancient religion. This philosophical view does not interfere, however, with the historical records connected with it. We say "historical," because allegory and a mythical ornamentation around the kernel of tradition, in no wise prevent that kernel being a record of real events. Thus, the Kabala, repeating the time-honoured revelations of the once universal history of our globe and the evolution of its races, has presented it under the legendary form of the various records which have formed the Bible. Its historical foundation is now offered, in however imperfect a form, on these pages from the Secret Doctrine of the East; and thus


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the allegorical and symbolical meaning of the Serpent of Genesis is found explained by the "Sons of Wisdom" (or angels from higher spheres, though all and each pertain to the kingdom of Satan, or Matter) revealing to men the mysteries of Heaven. Hence, also, all the so-called myths of the Hindu, Grecian, Chaldean, and Jewish Pantheons are found to be built on fact and truth. The giants of Genesis are the historical Atlanteans of Lanka, and the Greek Titans.

Dionysos is one with Osiris, with Krishna, and with Buddha (the heavenly wise), and with the coming (tenth) Avatar, the glorified Spiritual Christos, who will deliver the suffering Christos (mankind, or Prometheus, on its trial). This, say Brahminical and Buddhistic legends, echoed by the Zoroastrian and now by the Christian teachings (the latter only occasionally), will happen at the end of Kaliyuga. It is only after the appearance of Kalki-Avatar, or Sosiosh, that man will be born from woman without sin. Then will Brahma, the Hindu deity; Ahura-Mazda (Ormazd), the Zoroastrian; Zeus, the Greco-Olympian Don Juan; Jehovah, the jealous, repenting, cruel, tribal God of the Israelites, and all their likes in the universal Pantheon of human fancy -- vanish and disappear in thin air. And along with these will vanish their shadows, the dark aspects of all those deities, ever represented as their "twin brothers" and creatures, in exoteric legend, their own reflection on earth -- in esoteric philosophy. The Ahrimans and Typhons, the Samaels and Satans, must be all dethroned on that day, when every dark evil passion will be subdued.

There is one eternal Law in nature, one that always tends to adjust contraries and to produce final harmony. It is owing to this law of spiritual development superseding the physical and purely intellectual, that mankind will become freed from its false gods, and find itself finally -- SELF-REDEEMED.

[samanera]

Looks like "Jehovah" and "Satan" aren't all that 'different' after all huh?



Jehovah tempts the King of Israel to number the people, and Satan tempts him to do the same in another place. Jehovah turns into the fiery serpents to bite those he is displeased with; and Jehovah informs the brazen serpent that heals them.

“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. And Joab answered, The LORD make his people an hundred times so many more as they be: but, my lord the king, are they not all my lord's servants? why then doth my lord require this thing? why will he be a cause of trespass to Israel? Nevertheless the king's word prevailed against Joab. Wherefore Joab departed, and went throughout all Israel, and came to Jerusalem. And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David." 1 Chronicles 21:1-14


“And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. For the king said to Joab the captain of the host, which was with him, Go now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan even to Beersheba, and number ye the people, that I may know the number of the people. And Joab said unto the king, Now the LORD thy God add unto the people, how many soever they be, an hundredfold, and that the eyes of my lord the king may see it: but why doth my lord the king delight in this thing? Notwithstanding the king's word prevailed against Joab, and against the captains of the host. And Joab and the captains of the host went out from the presence of the king, to number the people of Israel. - 2 Samuel 24:1-15

Lucifer is the Morning Star

Jesus calls himself the Morning Star

Lucifer is the Morning Star 2

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, Son of the Morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! - Isaiah 14:12

You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts - 2 Peter 1:19

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the Bright and Morning Star. - Revelation 22:16

Venus-Lucifer



Venus-Lucifer 2



"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat and live for ever . . . " must have been indeed the Ilda-baoth, the Demiurge of the Nazarenes, filled with rage and envy against his own creature, whose reflection created Ophiomorphos. In this case it is but natural -- even from the dead letter standpoint -- to view Satan, the Serpent of Genesis, as the real creator and benefactor, the Father of Spiritual mankind. For it is he who was the "Harbinger of Light," bright radiant Lucifer, who opened the eyes of the automaton created by Jehovah, as alleged; and he who was the first to whisper: "in the day ye eat thereof ye shall be as Elohim, knowing good and evil" -- can only be regarded in the light of a Saviour. An "adversary" to Jehovah the "personating spirit," he still remains in esoteric truth the ever-loving "Messenger" (the angel), the Seraphim and Cherubim who both knew well, and loved still more, and who conferred on us spiritual, instead of physical immortality -- the latter a kind of static immortality that would have transformed man into an undying "Wandering Jew."





Few are those theists and believers in a personal God, who do not make of Satan the shadow of God; or who, confounding both, do not believe they have a right to pray to that idol asking its help and protection for the exercise and impunity of their evil and cruel deeds. "Lead us not into Temptation" is addressed daily to "our Father, which art in Heaven," and not to the Devil, by millions of human Christian hearts. They do so, repeating the very words put in the mouth of their Saviour, and do not give one thought to the fact that their meaning is contradicted point blank by James "the brother of the Lord." "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." -- (The Gen. Ep. of James, i, 13). Why, then, say that it is the Devil who tempts us, when the Church teaches us on the authority of Christ that it is God who does so? Open any pious volume in which the word "temptation" is defined in its theological sense, and forthwith you find two definitions: (1) "Those afflictions and troubles whereby God tries his people;" (2) Those means and enticements which the Devil makes use of to ensnare and allure mankind. (St. James i., 2, 12, and Mat. vi., 13.) If accepted literally, the two teachings of Christ and James contradict each other, and what dogma can reconcile the two if the occult meaning is rejected?

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father(Kether) which art in Heaven(Chokmah), Hallowed be thy Name(Binah).

Thy Kingdom(Chesed) come, Thy Will(Geburah) be done in Earth(Tiphereth), as it is in Heaven(Chokmah).

Give us this day our Daily Bread(Netzach).

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors(Hod).

And lead us not into temptation(Yesod/Sex), but deliver us from evil: For thine is the Kingdom(Malkuth), and the Power, and the Glory, for ever. AMEN(Ain Soph). - Matthew 6:9

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." - Genesis 22:1


"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." James 1:13

"The Omeyocan is the Lord of the Night, the Black Tezcatlipoca who when denying himself, bursts into light and the universe (that fecundates, that drives Quetzalcoatl, the Solar Logos) is born." - Samael Aun Weor

Black Fire

© The Zohar speaks of "Black Fire," which is Absolute Light-Wisdom. To those who, prompted by old theological prejudice, may say: "But the Asuras are the rebel Devas, the opponents of the Gods -- hence devils, and the spirits of Evil," it is answered: Esoteric philosophy admits neither good nor evil per se, as existing independently in nature. The cause for both is found, as regards the Kosmos, in the necessity of contraries or contrasts, and with respect to man, in his human nature, his ignorance and passions. There is no devil or the utterly depraved, as there are no Angels absolutely perfect, though there may be spirits of Light and of Darkness; thus LUCIFER -- the spirit of Intellectual Enlightenment and Freedom of Thought -- is metaphorically the guiding beacon, which helps man to find his way through the rocks and sandbanks of Life, for Lucifer is the LOGOS in his highest, and the "Adversary" in his lowest aspect -- both of which are reflected in our Ego(samanera's notes: Essence rather). Lactantius, speaking of the Nature of Christ, makes the LOGOS, the Word, the first-born brother of Satan, the "first of all creatures." (Inst. div. Book II., c. viii., "Qabbalah," 116.)

[King Stephen]

From what I understand from Samael's teachings of Satan, basically if we want to see Satan, all we must do is look in the mirrior (this is of course symbolic not literal). We are all devils as long as our egos control our actions and thoughts, therefore we all follow and worship Satan when we worship the myself (egos). We do this everyday by getting angry, prideful, lustful, etc. because an ego (devil) takes the wheel of our car (physical body) and turns the wheel so that it will drive closer to Satan and the abyss. Therefore saying that Satan is the "highest divine spirit" is absolutley puzzling to me. I realize, and please forgive me if I have, perhaps mis-understood H. P. Blavatsky's meaning here but to say such a thing I find very odd. Saying that Satan is the "highest divine spirit" is like saying our egos, the myself, "I am the highest divine spirit," and thats utterly false. Feel free to correct me and disagree with me, that's just my perception (most likely subjective) on this matter, forgive me from straying from the gist of this forum.

[samanera]

All in all; the Biblical devil is for the most part, nothing more than a rip off of the Khemetian Set, who is basically symbolic of certain aspects of our lower animal nature.


Shiva is known as the Holy Spirit, and is also known as "the Devil".

And the Hexagram of Shiva/Shakti(Hebrew: Yod/Shekinah or Abba/Aima) was known in India long before David or Solomon.


From a Buddhist perspective; there is no such thing as an intrinsic dualism.

This doesn't imply nihilism.

If anything, it implies that the very idea of dualism, self and other, is the cause of all our problems; not some evil spirit or red guy with a tail and horns.


It's too bad that we have restricted ourselves from free exploration, by allowing the clergy to stimulate our ego of fear ever since we were young children.

[Rosencroix]

You're studying up, Samanera :bigemo_harabe_net-11:

From a Buddhist perspective; there is no such thing as an intrinsic dualism.
This doesn't imply nihilism.
If anything, it implies that the very idea of dualism, self and other, is the cause of all our problems; not some evil spirit or red guy with a tail and horns.

From a Buddhist perspective, there are two perspectives which are like two trees that share the same roots. To explain it Kabbalistically, we can say that the true nature of a thing is the Ain Soph, which transcends duality, the perceiver and perceived etc. That is the Seity. On the other hand, under the Absolute, within the created and manifested universe, duality is the seed of everything that seems to exist. The problem occurs when you don't understand both of these perspectives. If you forget about the Seity, then you believe that everything is happening and occuring as it seems to be happening according to your so-called awareness--this is the root ignorance and this is why the ego becomes identified. On the other hand, if we were to think that there isn't relative existence and that dualism is a lie, then we ignore the understanding of the mechanics of the manifested universe (which leads again into delusion) and therefore could not ever attain liberation from the mechanics of this universe. Therefore, in order to be liberated or above Good and Evil, you must have the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Regarding this quote of Blavatsky:

Many were the hints thrown out in this direction in "Isis Unveiled," and a still greater number of references to this mystery may be found scattered throughout these volumes. To make the point clear once for all: that which the clergy of every dogmatic religion -- pre-eminently the Christian -- points out as Satan, the enemy of God, is in reality, the highest divine Spirit -- (occult Wisdom on Earth) -- in its naturally antagonistic character to every worldly, evanescent illusion, dogmatic or ecclesiastical religions included. Thus, the Latin Church, intolerant, bigoted and cruel to all who do not choose to be its slaves; the Church which calls itself the bride of Christ, and the trustee at the same time of Peter, to whom the rebuke of the Master "get thee behind me Satan" was justly addressed; and again the Protestant Church which, while calling itself Christian, paradoxically replaces the New Dispensation by the old "Law of Moses" which Christ openly repudiated: both these Churches are fighting against divine Truth, when repudiating and slandering the Dragon of esoteric (because divine) Wisdom. Whenever anathematizing the Gnostic Solar Chnouphis -- the Agathodaemon -- Christos, or the theosophical Serpent of Eternity, or even the Serpent of Genesis -- they are moved by the same Spirit of dark fanaticism that moved the Pharisees to curse Jesus by saying to him "Say we not well thou hast a devil?"

Remember that Satan means ADVERSARY. She is saying that the adversary of the church and their fanaticism is Divine Wisdom! The church (in general...) promotes fear and shame inside us for the revolutionary impulse to awaken, question and discover ourselves. Therefore, the adversary to the fanatisim of the church, the Satan of the church is not the Satan of the Gnostics. The enemy of the Church is not necessarily our enemy. She is saying that the church is backwards, anti-Gnostic, against self-discovery.
It is very simple that the adversary of the Being is the ego. That is the esoteric and true meaning of the word. The church manipulated its meaning as they have done with so many other aspects of religion for their own control.


She (Blavatsky) was playing with the fanatical egos that we have inside!




Lucifer begins in the Absolute. He (It) begins in the Omeyocan, where there exists only the YOALLI-EHECATL (Darkness and Wind).
When Lucifer (the light that comes from fire or INRI) descends, he (Lucifer, Quetzalcoatl, Xolotl etc) illuminates the manifested universe and creates every world, dimension, sephirah, realm etc.
He takes his seat at the right hand of God (Chockmah). Then, out of compassion and sacrifice sends forth his light to continue his creative work.
He establishes every corner of creation. He is Light and Sound. He descends into matter. When he descends into matter, he activates movement within the dead, uncreated matter. Thus, life can flourish within the worlds of four elements (giving every Being, or particular individual aspects of this Light a chance to realize Itself).
Inside the living terrestrial beings of one, two and three brains, Lucifer dwells inside as their fire (sexual creative energy). Inside of matter, Lucifer becomes a shadow (the Light Shineth In Darkness...). Inside the minds of Humanoids, the light becomes trapped within shells (Klippoth, egos etc.) and thus transforms into Satan, the enemy of the Light.
Lucifer then recognizes this. Lucifer gives the oppertunity for this, because Lucifer is Light and Fire. Lucifer gives the soul the ability to recognize oneself in the darkness and even become liberated from it. Thus, with Lucifer, Satan was created. With Lucifer, Satan can be destroyed. With Lucifer we can become lost in the abyss. With Lucifer we can reach the highest heights of creation.

We should not be afraid of Lucifer. His potency is inside of our sexual glands but his essence is in everything created.

Do you understand this?

[samanera]

Do you understand this?

Ah, so we Self Realize The Light(LUCIFER) as to be liberated from the painful darkness of Klipoth("Satan"/ego), to then re-enter the blissful Dark Absolute(AIN-SOPH, AMEN, ALLAH, ADI-BUDDHA, OMEYOCAN, AELOHIM, etc.) again? :notworthy:

Departing AIN-SOPH, and then returning as AIN SOPH PARANISHPANNA?

(That is, if we attain Paramarthasattya-hood)


That's what I've always thought for the last couple years; but after reading the Secret Doctrine, it got confusing there for a minute.

Glossary

Ain Soph "AIN SOPH is the second aspect (of the Absolute); it is where a certain manifestation already exists... A divine Ray exists within the human being. That Ray wants to return back into its own Star that has always smiled upon it. The Star that guides our interior is a super divine Atom from the Abstract Absolute Space. The Kabbalistic name of that Atom is the sacred Ain Soph." - Tarot and Kabbalah

Ain Soph Paranishpanna "We must make a specific differentiation between the Ain Soph and the Ain Soph Paranishpanna: In the Ain Soph, interior Self-realization does not exist, but in the Ain Soph Paranishpanna, interior Self-realization does exist." - Tarot and Kabbalah

Paramarthasattya (Sanskrit) Para, “absolute, supreme.” Parama, “that which knows, or the consciousness.” Artha, “that which is known.” Sattya, “existence, Truth.” In synthesis, “The supreme knowledge of all that exists: TRUTH.”

1) A being of very high development; an inhabitant of the Absolute.

2) The ultimate truth, as opposed to conventional truth (samvriti-sattya) or relative truth of the manifested world.

In the Khemetian allegory, Set, after being subdued by Heru, is made to propel the Boat of RA, and is seen fighting off the tempting serpent(Apep) who is in the waters.





Looks like we can also see Tehuti/Hermes(Chokmah), Maat(Gedulah) and Hetheru(related to Venus-Lucifer).

[Rosencroix]

Ah, so we Self Realize The Light(LUCIFER) as to be liberated from the painful darkness of Klipoth("Satan"/ego), to then re-enter the blissful Dark Absolute(AIN-SOPH, AMEN, ALLAH, ADI-BUDDHA, OMEYOCAN, AELOHIM, etc.) again?

Departing AIN-SOPH, and then returning as AIN SOPH PARANISHPANNA?

(That is, if we attain Paramarthasattya-hood)

If we were referring to your statement as a means to simplify and conceptualize the process, the answer is...YES.

The question is: who are "we"? :bb:

[Aristocrates]

So I get that Lucifer and Venus are directly related. I get also that Saturn and Satan are directly related.
Satan is known as the 'Devil' meaning 'adversary' which can be a good or bad thing, just as how death itself can be good or bad depending on what dies to give new life, correct?

I'm attempting to try to understand how Satan can be the holy spirit, and something evil interchangably.
It was also suggested that Lucifer gives life to Satan, or the power to destroy Satan.

So basicly what I'm seeing here is that Satan is death, and Lucifer is life? And that these two, life and death exist interchangably and/or together in different ways and are the cause of one another (for lack of a better phrase, obviously death wouldn't be the cause of life, but responsible for the augmentation or evolution of life into a different state). If a person were evolving up the tree of life, to use that visual for a moment, they would need to have a concrete understanding of the reality they are working with (knowledge of good and evil/satan) so that the experience solidifies within the being, but after this happens, the ego or shell that has formed as a result of working with this experience has to be shed, in order to move on to a higher reality, where the same process will begin again? We have to "detach from the mold that we were poured into and have grown in" so to speak? So Satan can also be interpretted as simply "contrast" and "form"?

That the death of higher life is evil, and the life of the lower self (fornication/trapped in ego) is also evil.
So both Satan and Lucifer are great things which can have very dark sides, just like how the tree of life has a lower infernal reflection known as the Klipoth?

Concerning just fornication alone, I remember some of the audio lectures, and the teacher was pointing out that "what is good for you isn't necessarily good for me, because I'm at a higher level", and how animals need to fornicate and it is good for them, but not good for people who want to become Hu-Mans.

Evil then could be defined universally as just: "The idiosyncrasies and actions related with one's inability to detach from a set of experiences or reality which have already fulfilled their needed purpose and function."
Not unlike a twelve year old who continues to suck his mother's breasts, evil then more or less can just be seen from an evolutive perspective as being simply a defect of IMMATURITY more or less.

In astrology I see that concerning Saturn, Libra is it's exaltation, meaning that Venus is Saturn's stimulator for it's own power?:

"Each planet is also said to be exalted in a particular sign. In the sign of its exaltation, a planet generates its power from the conditions provided by the characteristics of the sign. A planet is at its weakest and most ineffectual in the sign of its fall, which is always the opposite sign to that of its exaltation."

I'm trying very hard to understand. ::retreats to a nearby emo corner of confusion::

[Chela]

Lucifer himself is beyond good and evil. Satan is Lucifer who has become trapped within good and evil.

Lucifer looks like a demon because we made him that way, Lucifer is crying in the Ninth Sphere, awaiting for us to defeat his temptations.

We will talk a little bit about the divine daemon of Socrates, the famous Lucifer of the Cathedral of Notre Dame of Paris, the very Xolotl Nahuatl who in the magical hill of Coatepec, Tulla, who came quicker than wind to the witching invocation of the sixty ancients.

Enchanting and extraordinary Tulla, which as a matter of fact is the Scandinavian Thule described in the golden verses of Seneca.

Xolotl, the living shadow of Quetzalcoatl, Lucifer-Prometheus, the carrier of the light, the morning star, the living symbol of our principle stone, the philosopher's stone in which is the clue of all the powers.

Lucifer-Xolotl, sometimes taking the form of the Male Goat of Mendez, is symbol of the sexual power.

Moses, coming from Sinai, in where had met Jehovah, brings on his forehead two shining rays of a male goat form, which indicates that he had worked with the sexual force.

It is written with Hebrew letters that the Ark of the Covenant had in its four angles the horns of a male goat.

Isaiah the prophet, writes:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah, 14: 12, 15

The fathers of the Church, Simeon, Pacomio, Eulogio, Antony, could see their particular Lucifer (each person has his own), in the form of a delicious lady or of a terrible male with shining horns or as a child wearing a black tunic.

Let us listen to the marvelous song of Ezekiel to the handsome demon Lucifer-Xolotl:

Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle, and gold."

"By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezekiel, 28: 12, 13, 14

"In the mount Alban this personage really catches the attention: the naked entity, with his deformed extremities, a feline mouth and a dynamic attitude that singularizes the beginnings of that city, cannot represent anything else but Xolotl (Lucifer). At the same time, his association with the tiger, the fire whose flames sometimes replace the genital parts and the downfall movement are proves enough."
- The Universe of Quetzalcoatl by Laurette Sejourne

Obviously Xolotl-Lucifer-Prometheus is the double of Quetzalcoatl within ourselves here and now, and he can confer to us the wisdom and the divine equity: "Eritris Sicut dei." "You will be like Gods."

The philosopher's stone (Lucifer-Xolotl) remains in the very depth of our sexual glands and it has to reconcile the opposites and the enemy brothers. "Coincidentia Oppositorum." "You will be like Gods."

The living and philosophical fire of the ancient medieval alchemists, stays in a latent state in the depth of our seminal system waiting in a mystical form the moment to be awaken.

INRI: Ignis Natura renovatur Integram. The fire renews nature insessantly. In Necis Renascor Integer. In the death I am reborn intact and pure.

Saint Thomas says: "The highest, the most perfect of the angels, the preferred of God."

Dante writes: "More noble than any other creature and the sum of all of them."

Undoubtedly, Xolotl-Lucifer is not a strange element of our psyche, on the contrary, it is the shadow of our divine Being within our intimate particular depth. It is written with letters of gold in the book of life that in the right paw of the Lucifer Nahuatl shines gloriously certain divine golden signs of a terribly divine nature.

Xolotl-Lucifer-Prometheus is the psychological trainer of the gymnasium of the practical life.

It is a vane alarm, the agitation of certain brotherhoods which propagate here, there and everywhere stupid lies against the "Gnostic Solar Chinoupes," "the Christ Agathodaemon," "the Serpent of Genesis," "the Shining Dragon of Wisdom."

Disliked, unpopular, those ignorant "know it all" ones repudiating Xolotl-Lucifer, have interpreted the allegory of the war in the skies and the fight of Michael against the Dragon as dead letter, not comprehending its real meaning.

Undoubtedly, our internal profound Being has to kill or to be defeated. In the first case, obviously he becomes the killer of the Dragon because he has been successful in all the temptations that he has put.

Xolotl-Lucifer, as tutor, educator, mentor, is certainly unusual, unaccustomed, extraordinary.

There exists in the Luciferic temptation an inimitable didactic, a prodigious pedagogy, amazing attraction, unmistakable incentive, hidden instigation with secret divine purposes, seduction, fascination.

From all of this we can conclude that within our profound intimacies, we can and should fight against the Dragon and its gloomy hosts (the psychological defects) if in truth we want transform ourselves in "Sons of Wisdom" and "Immortal Gods..."

In the sacred land of Vedas, Indra the shining god of the firmament who kills Vritra or Ahi, the serpent-demon - Lucifer-Xolotl - therefore he becomes Vritaham the "Destructor of Vritra," and receives the nickname of Jishnu, the Guide of the Celestial Army.

The cross is a very ancient symbol, which has always been used in all the religions, in all the peoples, the one that believes it is an exclusive emblem of a determined religious sect would be mistaken. When the Spaniard conquerors arrived to the holy land of the Aztecs, they found the cross over the altars.

We can see the semi circular or elliptic addition of an apse added to the chorus in the plane of the great religious buildings of the middle ages, in it we can see the form of the hieratic Egyptian sign of the Cross Ansada which is written Ank and symbolizes the universal life hidden in everything.

On the other hand, the hermetic equivalent of the sign Ankh is the symbol of Venus or Cyprian-Lucifer, of copper, bronze or brass.

"Whiten your brass and burn your books" is continuously repeated by the best authors of the medieval alchemy.

Clearly, that expression or sentence wisely translated means: "Sexual Magic," "scientific chastity," "radical death of the animal ego."

Quetzalcoatl, resurrected after had whitened the brass, transform himself in the morning star.

The Apocalypse of St. John says:

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation, 2: 26, 27, 28, 29

Bel and the Dragon, Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl, Apollo and Python, Krishna and Kaliya, Osiris and Typhon, Michael and the Red Dragon, St. George and his Dragon always are the particular divine Logoi in each one of us projected in our psyche for our good.

It is not useless to affirm emphatically and with entire lucidity that to kill the Venus- Lucifer-Xolotl Dragon is equal to become a son of himself, that is to say, to receive the morning star.

In ancient times the Dragons were always considered as symbols of eternity and wisdom.

The hierophants of Egypt, Babylon and India, generally called themselves "Sons of the Dragon and the Serpents," this confirm the teachings of the universal Gnosticism.

Xolotl, the shadow or double of the Mexican Christ Quetzalcoatl, falling from the empyrean to our own atomic infernos, it is something extraordinary, marvelous.

The "sexual fire," the dog, the erotic instinct, Lucifer-Nahuatl, is that extraordinary and marvelous agent that can transform us radically.

The dog guides the knight leading him through the narrow path that goes from the darkness to the light, from death to immortality. It is urgent to take out Xolotl from the dwelling of Pluto, prodigious of terror who with his barks, his three enormous heads and the neck covered by serpents frights enormously the disembodied ones.

Xolotl-Cerberus-Tricipite pulls the leash of his master, leading him with security through the abrupt footpath that leads to the final liberation.

Xolotl-Lucifer as archetype of the penitent and with the girdle of chastity, transformed in an anchorite, makes the light in the darkness and clarifies the entire Christic esotericism.

Xolotl-Lucifer, in possession of the leftovers that will have to resurrect indicates the need to die in order to be.

It is urgent to find, to reflect, to meditate: undoubtedly the death of the myself is an indispensable requirement for the esoteric resurrection that has to be done here and now through the Sexual Alchemy.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall he brought to pass the saying that written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Corinthians 15: 53, 54, 55

The exciting and seductive didactic of Xolotl-Lucifer, intelligently utilized, makes possible the magical resurrection.

Temptation is fire, the triumph over temptation is light. It is urgent, it is undeferable, to eliminate the undesirable elements that we carry inside.

I want to point emphatically at the tiger and the dog. Undoubtedly, that Xolotl-Lucifer taken from the solar hieroglyphic, since is in the root of our seminal system, assumes the marvelous role of Cerberus (the dog) quoted by Dante in his Divine Comedy.

The tiger is different and this is known by the "Lords Tigers," those jaguars of the Gnostic Movement who like authentic felines of the Revolutionary Psychology, are fighting against themselves, against their own psychological defects.

Undoubtedly the dog and the tiger are esoterically associated in the same work. The humanization of the tiger in the Aztec art is something that amazes the mystic.

In no way would be possible extirpate our psychic aggregates, those intimate defects that in their conjunct constitute the "I" without the help of that divine particle or Internal Monad remembered by the axe, sign of the ray, something that is clearly by the "Man-Tiger."

It is written with entire lucidity in the Book of Life: "He that wants to ascend, first shall have to descend." "Any exaltation is preceded by humiliation."

Since ancient times, descent to the Ninth Sphere has been the greatest test of the integrity of the hierophant. Jesus, Buddha, Hermes, Quetzalcoatl had to pass that terrible test.

Mars descends there to re-temper his sword and conquer the heart of Venus; it is there that Hercules cleans the stables of Augeas and Perseus cuts off the head of the Medusa.

Quetzalcoatl and his double, in the terrestrial depths, in the inferno of Dante, in the terrible dwelling of Pluto, shall die radically if he wants resurrect from among the dead.

"In the middle of that damn there is a huge elm tree extending its secular branches; on them live the vain dreams of the painful humanity, patched like insects to its leaves."

"Over there walk the Centaurs: Briareo, the giant of the one hundred arms; the Hydra of Lerna who Hercules killed cutting off its multiple heads; the Chimera, monster with a goat body; the Gorgons, the Harpies and the Shadow of the three bodies."

For more information read Arcanum 15 materals (especially the "Gnostic Egyptian Christic Cosmic Drama") and listen to the lecture.

[samanera]

Regarding Lucifer:

Read Goethe's "Faust" and you will understand everything.

[samanera]

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-teachi...ration---6.html

Regarding the Luciferian Spirits:

Max Heindel and Steiner mistakenly believed that they were the stragglers of life, a wave between Angels and Men; they believed that their abodes were upon the planet Mars (and one thousand other stupidities of the sort). Thus, if our disciples believe in these mistaken assertions of Max Heindel and Steiner, they will eventually confusedly consider that it is okay to become a demon.

The archdemon named Lucifer (was the greatest black Initiate from the lunar epoch) and his Luciferian followers are demonic hosts from the abyss; this was ignored by Steiner and Heindel.

[samanera]

The following is relevant as well:


http://www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/inde...ost&p=13172

[samanera]

Gnostic Egyptian Cosmic Drama

"The Guardian of the Threshold can never be disintegrated, because it is part of our own individual Being.

"The Guardian of the Threshold is a full length mirror that shows us the psychological state in which we find ourselves at each given moment."

What is Initiation?

Well after that ordeal, you will have many tests, because you have to defeat that guardian little by little and with patience. First, the great ordeal; you defeat him. But then the guardian will try to feed himself through you, and then you have to be in observance, attentive to yourself, in order to annihilate little by little all of your aggregates, psychological defects, in order to KILL – because one thing is to defeat the Guardian in front of you, and another thing is to kill him – to kill him is to take the stone of David and shoot him in the head. And that takes, of course, a long period of time; meditation, comprehension, patience. It’s not just that you defeated the Guardian today and tomorrow you will be a great Initiate. No, you are just a neophyte. One thing is to defeat it in confrontation, another thing is to kill him. He says, “OK. He defeated me. Now we will see if he is capable of killing me.” And the ego has to be destroyed. When the ego is destroyed, the Consciousness is liberated. The Soul is free.

The Guardian of the Threshold is a part of you.

That part of you is with you all the time.

In the process of initiation, you will face three initial ordeals with him.

One is related to the minor initiations.

This ordeal is faced when you haved proven readiness. This is determined by your own inner Being. All of your training, ordeals, sufferings, pains, gifts, etc are managed by your own inner Being. There are masters who may assist, but ultimately your own Being is behind everything.

Every student fails in the ordeals. Yet, not every student fails every time: that is the key: meditate, be consistent. The real failures are the ones who give up entirely and take "easier" paths (that is, lunar paths).

The guardian is a part of your process until the very end. So do not assume that you will "beat him" anytime soon. Each ordeal is a stage of the work, in which you demonstrate a certain amount of renunciation and willpower that is based in moral purity.

In the Khemetian allegory, Set, after being subdued by Heru, is made to propel the Boat of RA, and is seen fighting off the tempting serpent(Apep) who is in the waters.

Muata Ashby wrote in his book Egyptian Tantric Yoga, that the Khemetian word "Set"(from whom the Hebrew Satan is partly derived), is derived from a Kemetic word that means "to shoot".

And he also wrote that orgasm is a Setian or Satanic action.

SET: To shoot semen.

So Set, when trying to attain Auset(Isis) as a sexual partner, failed to do so, became frustrated and ejaculated or shot semen onto the ground.

Also remember that Set(Satan) tried to have sexual relations with either Heru or Ausar(I can't remember which one).


After Set(Satan-Lucifer/Guardian of the Threshold) is subdued by Heru(the Initiate), Set is made to propel the Boat of RA(Christus-Lucifer).

Which is very interesting, considering that Samael Aun Weor wrote that the Guardian of the Threshold can only be fully subdued after the ego is dead, and that the Guardian of the Threshold can never actually be annihilated.

In other words: Satan-Lucifer, after getting subdued(when the ego is dead), is liberated and regains his title as Christus-Lucifer the Brightest Angel in Heaven.


Everything in existence is a modification of RA(AIN SOPH AUR), and HERU(Tiphereth) is said to be the crux of our Divinity.


Amir Fatir pointed out that the word "sin" originally meant ejaculation in the Ancient KNGR, Kingir, Kinigir, or Sumerian language I believe.


And Samael Aun Weor wrote that the orgasm was the first sin.





Can anyone see, and correct any possible mistakes found in the observations I've made here?

[samanera]

"Develop the life giving Fire; few know how to use it, and fewer how to master it."

- Ancient Kemetian Proverb

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy."

"Master the Fire of the back."

- Ancient Kemetian Proverb

[Brian]

Lucifer = the sexual impulse (which can be used in an ascending or decending manner)

Satan = All Egos (mainly used collectively, but I imagine Satan could be used to refer to even a single ego as well)

[Aquarian]

The problem occurs when you don't understand both of these perspectives. If you forget about the Seity, then you believe that everything is happening and occuring as it seems to be happening according to your so-called awareness--this is the root ignorance and this is why the ego becomes identified. On the other hand, if we were to think that there isn't relative existence and that dualism is a lie, then we ignore the understanding of the mechanics of the manifested universe (which leads again into delusion) and therefore could not ever attain liberation from the mechanics of this universe. Therefore, in order to be liberated or above Good and Evil, you must have the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

That made things so much more clear, thank you!

[Philip]

Satan