Jesus' Bloodline, Sir Laurence Gardner Options

[nckk]

"According to Sir Laurence Gardner, Mary Magdalene was already three months pregnant at the time of the Crucifixion, since she and Jesus had cemented their Second Marriage at the Bethany anointing in March 33AD. In September of what would have been Jesus' 39th birthday, a daughter was born to Mary, her name being Tamar, meaning `Palm Tree'-The Tree of Life, as we have already said. It is appropriate since it would be she who carried on Jesus' bloodline, the bloodline in Judaism always passing through the matriarchal side of the family. Jesus and Mary then had two other children. Their second child was a son, also named Jesus (AD 37). Then upon Mary's arrival in Marseilles with Lazarus (Simon Zelotes), Martha, and Joseph of Arimathea, Mary gave birth in AD 44 to what some say was another son, but was in fact another a girl, in Provence. Another female would mean another source by which the bloodline of Jesus could be further carried on. Another daughter was also another means by which the Luciferian gene could be more heavily implanted into humanity.

In the Rosicrucian pamphlet, The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz, it speaks specifically of "a mysterious girl-child of royal blood" who is washed ashore in a boat, whose rightful heritage has fallen into Islamic hands."
Sir Laurence Gardner

Much energy is laid in this study of ´the bloodline of Jesus. I ask, what is the importance of this investigation? Is it only fuel for our mystical mind or does this physical heritage, blood link have any importance - except the historical. To me it seems that far to much importance is lain on the material aspect neglecting the aspect of the creative spirit. Isn’t the time passed where the blood heritage is of any importance at all?

[James Crow]

Chapter 13, The World

167. Follow not the vulgar way (of the sensual mind and physical senses); live not in heedlessness (of the spirit); hold not false views (of theories and speculations); linger not long in worldly existence.

168. Arise! Do not be heedless! Lead a righteous life. The righteous live happily both in this world and the next.

169. Lead a righteous life (in accordance with the Dharma); lead not a base life (of materialism and beliefs). The righteous live happily both in this world and the next.

170. One who looks upon the world as a bubble and a mirage, him the King of Death sees not.

171. Come! Behold this world, which is like a decorated royal chariot. Here fools flounder (fascinated with theories and beliefs), but the wise have no attachment to it.

172. He who having been heedless is heedless no more, illuminates this world like the moon freed from clouds.

173. He, who by good deeds covers the evil he has done, illuminates this world like the moon freed from clouds.

174. Blind is the world; here only a few possess insight. Only a few, like birds escaping from the net, go to realms of bliss.

175. Swans fly on the path of the sun; men pass through the air by psychic powers; the wise are led away from the world after vanquishing Mara and his host.

176. For a liar who has violated the one law (of truthfulness) who holds in scorn the hereafter, there is no evil that he cannot do.

If Jesus left a bloodline, what difference would it make? People are still suffering intensely.

If Jesus left no bloodline, what difference would it make? People are still suffering intensely.

The debate over the bloodline is just another distraction.

Theological debate is another trap within which fools waste their lives.

Do you not realize that death is at your shoulder?

When death claims you and you appear before your God to answer for your life, will He care whether you believe in one theory or another? Obviously not: He will only look to your actions. A man is measured by his deeds.

[jeb]

[quote name='James Crow' date='May 30 2006, 10:49 AM' post='15478']
Do you not realize that death is at your shoulder?

Yes, that is true. Have we not seen (with the spirtual eyes, of course) all of the signals that Mother Nature is giving to us through floods, wildfires, tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, violence throughout the world, murders never seen before, etc, etc. as an indication that something is changing?. Yes, death is around the corner for all of us who do not align with the new energies that our Father is sendign to us to accompany our Mother Earth in her ascension to the fourth and fifth dimensions. The scriptures talk about that "nothing will be left standing, no stone will be left unturned". V.M. Samael said: "The times of the end have arrived, and we are living them". Why wait until the times of Noah's ark happen again? Therefore why wasting our time in things that will not help us in our ascension? Why not using out time in preparation for those impending changes that have already started, but mainly to help our fellowmen in the upcoming turmoils and times of suffering?. Mother Nature is cleansing herself. and she is moving fast toward her transformation. And she will do it, with or without our help, question is: are we willing to help her by means of our awekening, our liftting of consciousness? The celestial hosts are outside, waiting for us to lift our eyes and ask for help. Like Master Samael wrote: "I lift up my eyes to the sky, where the help will come to me from". Is it not enough the living example that Jesus gave us through his life to follow it rather than being interested in his personal life. Time is getting short.

regards.

[Ralph]

The debate over the bloodline is just another distraction.

Yes, of course. But, visiting this Forum can also be a distraction. Reading about orthodox (or other) theology can be a distraction. Reading about Christian mythology (including the fantastic legends of Mary Magdalene and the Da Vinci Code stuff) can be a distraction.

But, as we try to learn from the books of Master Samael, perhaps these other distractions might help us to understand the questions that others ask us, and might allow us to provide answers that will lead someone else to Gnosis. I suspect that is why Master Samael, and the instructors at this website, spend so much time describing and explaining religious symbols and legends. I think the whole doctrine could be summarized in a couple of sentences, though I doubt any would believe it. The Da Vinci Code all but reveals the nature of the Holy Grail and the Great Arcanum. I wonder how many people will meditate on the clues there and come to a beginning of understanding of the Path? Of course, I also wonder how many will get it all wrong...

Sorry for this distracting post.

[narayan]

I wonder how many people will meditate on the clues there and come to a beginning of understanding of the Path? Of course, I also wonder how many will get it all wrong...

Sorry for this distracting post.

I wonder if Dan Brown got it right? It's not relevant if Jesus has a bloodline, as irrelevant as the fact that Mohammad has a bloodline or maybe Buddha or Moses or any master for the matter of fact. The relevance is THE GREAT ARCANUM.

[Mefistopheles]

I wonder if Dan Brown got it right? It's not relevant if Jesus has a bloodline, as irrelevant as the fact that Mohammad has a bloodline or maybe Buddha or Moses or any master for the matter of fact. The relevance is THE GREAT ARCANUM.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you (the mystery of my wife Mary Magdalene is “MM” and any “Master Mason” knows that! Is not perhaps Christ “Shin”, the Son of Nun, which is the final outcome of the blood? and), except a man be born of water (MeM, Mary Magdalene, who develops the Son of Nun in her Belly) and of the (Holy) Spirit (Ruach Elohim, Aleph), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God….

The wind (Aleph as oxygen) blows (the fire in the blood) where it listens (the “IAO” and transmutes the water into wine), and (when the fire is awakened) you hear the sound thereof (within your “Vav”, Spinal Medulla), but cannot tell whence it comes, and whither it goes (because it rises according to Nous, the fires of the heart): so is every one that is born of the Spirit (Aleph that hovers upon the Waters - MeM, Mother Mary).

[King Stephen]

I read in an interview with Dan Brown at his site that he took information from "The Gnostic Gospels" for The Da Vinci Code. So I guess he had an idea of the things he spoke of. However I agree with James, we shouldn't waste our time pondering such things, we should focus on change within!

[Ralph]

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you (the mystery of my wife Mary Magdalene is “MM” and any “Master Mason” knows that! Is not perhaps Christ “Shin”, the Son of Nun, which is the final outcome of the blood? and), except a man be born of water (MeM, Mary Magdalene, who develops the Son of Nun in her Belly) and of the (Holy) Spirit (Ruach Elohim, Aleph), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God….

The wind (Aleph as oxygen) blows (the fire in the blood) where it listens (the “IAO” and transmutes the water into wine), and (when the fire is awakened) you hear the sound thereof (within your “Vav”, Spinal Medulla), but cannot tell whence it comes, and whither it goes (because it rises according to Nous, the fires of the heart): so is every one that is born of the Spirit (Aleph that hovers upon the Waters - MeM, Mother Mary).

Ta-da!

[Aristocrates]

If Jesus left a bloodline, what difference would it make? People are still suffering intensely.

If Jesus left no bloodline, what difference would it make? People are still suffering intensely.

Not unlike detective cases, where seemingably insignificant details about minute items and information can reveal surprising insight into the truth, and timeline, it would also be important to know such things. As you say, people are suffering, certainly following a false path is not what they need, rather one should be ever vigilant to learn whether what they are studying is unadulterated truth, or pseudo-esotericism.

In the audio lectures, I have heard the teacher state that Jesus was a celt, that his parents were of a celtic lineage, and I was startled by the comment. In the bible we find it written very clear and without confusion, how Jesus was directly descended from king David, of the house of David. There are also prophecies in the old testament attesting to the fact that the Messiah would be of the lineage of the house of David. Is the teacher inferring that king David was a gentile? To believe such wouldn't require that one has an open mind, but rather to be a fool.

Mefistopheles with all due respect if Buddha or Moses left a bloodline or Jesus.... First of all you're comparing Buddha to Moses and to Jesus. It is implied on this board and the Thelema site that students and masters alike are at different levels, how are we going to compare one master to another when we ourselves are just neophytes, or less than? It is said Jesus practiced the sexual alchemy, but I haven't heard it stated that Buddha did the same, all I've ever heard from Buddha is that he meditated and achieved Nirvana but rejected it. Perhaps Buddha meditated and destroyed the ego without alchemy?
I guess it also depends on which Buddha you're referring to, isn't there more than one?
It is also said that through the maithuna this is how the enlightened child prodigies are born, when the angels direct the single sperm to fecundate the woman while sexual alchemy is performed. So while knowing that (one of the) Buddha(s) had children, one does not know how they were concieved. But seeing as Jesus was as it is said the "highest incarnation of that spirit up until that time" among the Jews, a white magician full of miracles and truths, associated with Chokmah the spirit of wisdom, I would doubt very seriously he would have concieved any children without the explicit use of alchemy.

An example of how Jesus's bloodline would be relevant to understanding is found in the old testament during the reign of King Ahaz, the evil king who wouldn't trust the lord. There was one who came to Ahaz to beg him to ask for a sign concerning the safety of the house of David, the king refused to ask the lord, so he went among the people of the house of David, telling them about the Messiah who would be born of a virgin in the south Bethlehem and gave milemarkers for the time in which this would happen. If Jesus left a bloodline we could look at this prophecy and see whether Jesus was to deliver the house of David through his works, or through his bloodline also (seeing as his children would also be from the lineage of David).
Imagine what the children of Jesus could teach us? Would they heal people? Could they direct someone on the right path? Such a find would not be unlike discovering the holy grail, and in all relevance may help the people to be delivered out of much suffering.

[Ralph]

...Imagine what the children of Jesus could teach us? Would they heal people? Could they direct someone on the right path? Such a find would not be unlike discovering the holy grail, and in all relevance may help the people to be delivered out of much suffering.

You are a child of Jesus. You can heal people. You can direct someone on the right path. All you need to do is discover the Holy Grail. It's here, Friend, it's here.

[Matthew Thomas]

"...if you do not find it inside, neither will you find it outside..."

[Aristocrates]

I am here, I am acknowledging that I have a deep deep deeply invested interest here. The vast majority of what I've learned over the course of years, points me directly here. I am very stubborn I will examine everything said here until I fully understand what it is you are teaching. At the moment I'm perplexed, why is it claimed that Jesus was a celt, a white dude, when his lineage tree is given directly in the new testament?

Was one of his parents a Jew, and the other a Celt? Is 'Celt' used as a label beyond just the obvious racial context? If someone has some insight into this I would appreciate it. Right now I'm scratching my head, moreso than the whole Martian/Nasa smokescreen topic.

I found this quote from the site, it appears I guessed correctly... Excuse me for answering my own question.


“Jesus was only Jewish on the side of the Hebrew Mary, however, on his father's side he was of the white Celtic race. His father was a Roman soldier."
- The Perfect Matrimony by Samael Aun Weor

So I guess my next question is, since when does a Roman soldier impregnate a Jewish woman and their son is holy? Not only this, but where was Joseph?
If Joseph isn't the father of Jesus, then why does the book of the gosepl of St. Matthew begin like this?:

"THE book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas................................... And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of U-rias;............................. And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, which is called Christ"

Now, is it just me, or is this odd simply because the entire lineage focuses solely upon Joseph's ancestry, and only says that Mary was his wife, when Samael is quoted as saying that it is Mary who bears the Jewish heritage where Jesus is concerned. In so many semantics I guess one has to interpret this as a sly gesture by some kabbalist who wasn't about to bluntly piss off a bunch of Jewish readers. Thats the only credible explanation I can come up with.
But if this concession were so, I just dunno, this is weird.

The bible does say this however, and I guess I forgot about this phrase since it's been so long since I've read this:

"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost"

Before they came together, I guess this very obviously points out how Joseph wasn't the biological father. My apologies, I'm slow, I should know by now I can't find loopholes here with you people. I guess thats a good thing. But how are the Romans Celts? Didn't Rome like destroy the army of Boudicca?
I thought the Romans were like a seperate people from the Celts, just goes to show how little I know about ethnicity. I'm assuming he uses this term loosely to denote "white people".