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[arin]

Tarot and Kabbalah (p. 64) : "Jahve tempted Jesus by offering him all of the world's treasures. [...] Javhe can be represented by a star of five points with the feet aiming upwards."

The Perfect Matrimony : "Jahve is a terribly perverse fallen Angel."

The Revolution of Beelzebub : "Javhe has a very grave Karma, since he was the secret perpetrator of the crucifixion of Christ, and he is also directly responsible for the failure of human evolution on the Earth."

Why are there two ways of spelling this name?

[James Crow]

No, there is only one spelling: YHVH (in Hebrew) - but when you express that in roman letters, it comes out as Jah-Ve or Ja-Vhe.

[arin]

So Tetragrammaton denotes both God and Demon, right?

How come that many people say Jahve and they don't suspect even a bit they are talking about a demon? I've read somewhere that Bible became corrupted during all those years. Could anyone point to some 'corrupted' places in the Bible?

[James Crow]

Well, the Bible is so heavily edited and changed that it is unrecognizable compared to the original. However, one can see the difference when one reads the Book of Revelation, which is less edited. That book is very difficult to understand because it is the least adulterated. The rest of the Bible was once as veiled.

One easy thing to see for yourself is how the many names and aspects of God (Elohim, Jehovah, El Shaddai, Adonai, etc) were all reduced to the word "God." This is really an outrage, because it chops the meaning down to a mere stump. Of course, the only way to see that name change is to refer to the Hebrew or Greek, etc, but even then the Hebrew texts are also changed according to doctrinal and sectarian interpretations.

People do not know about Jahve because the religious authorities do not want them to know. Or, they themselves are ignorant.

[ImitationOfLife]

The Revolution of Beelzebub : "Javhe has a very grave Karma, since he was the secret perpetrator of the crucifixion of Christ, and he is also directly responsible for the failure of human evolution on the Earth."

How could Christ redeem humanity if Jahve hadn't ensured his death? Isn't this a work of love?

[James Crow]

The Revolution of Beelzebub

The black magicians of the school of Sodom say that black magic does not exist, that it is only a superstition. They say that evil and hateful thoughts which are emitted by evil minds are disintegrated since “the cosmic” is pure goodness. Therefore, it cannot serve as an instrument for the forces of evil.

The goal of the above noted statement of the black magicians from the school of Sodom is to justify their tenebrous teachings in order to give them the false appearance of being pure White Magic.

The cosmic is the whole Infinite, and in the cosmos there are many things. As above, so below.

If a thought, which is emitted by an evil one, is disintegrated at once, why then is not a bullet disintegrated in the atmosphere? Why does the cosmic serve as an instrument for a bullet, which is going to kill a human being who might be an elder or a child?

If that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom would be true, then the bullet should disintegrate itself at once.

Possibly they would argue by saying to me that the bullet is a material body and a thought is not. Yet, this is also not a good explanation because thought is also matter. Nothing can exist, not even God, without the help of matter.

Moreover, every atom is septuple in its constitution. The bullet used as an example is a compound of physical, ethereal, astral, mental, causal, conscientious and divine atoms. In other words, the bullet is a nucleus of atomic consciousness, which is charged with the waves of hatred from the one who shot it.

Why then is the bullet not disintegrated? Why does the cosmic serve as an instrument for the bullet?

Why does the cosmic serve as an instrument for the destructive waves of the atomic bomb? Could it be conceivable that the mental waves are inferior to the radioactive waves of the atoms of uranium?

Hence, that concept of the black magicians from the school of Sodom serves them only in order to conceal their crimes and to cheat naive people. The only thing they want is to justify themselves as White Magicians.

Christ is Love.

Jahve is the opposite of Christ. He can do nothing with Love, because he hates it.

Do not justify harmful actions through reasoning.

What is good, what is love, what is positive is any action performed according to the Will of the Innermost.

The one who ignores the Will of the Innermost Spirit commits mistakes and accrues karma.

Jahve hates the Innermost and worshiops the Guardian of the Threshold (the ego).

Jahve and his followers teach very deceptive forms of logic and spirituality.

[gnowone]

I am confused.

What is the sacred name of God (in Hebrew)?

[Isabel]

JHVH: Yod He Vau He; this is the Holy Tetragrammaton
Tetragrammaton is a Greek word that literally means: Sacred Four Lettered Name.
It is said that it is unpronouncable, it is made of four consonants. It is unpronouncable because the Holy Name of your own Being is so sacred, the ego/the mind can never pronounce it's vibration.
But, the Gnostics pronounce this sacred name (in general) as Yod-Chava or Jehovah.
This can be pronounced in various ways, Jave or Yahwe is the way to pronounce the name of one particular Monad. This particular Monad is from the Hebrew pantheon and it happens to be spelled with the same four letters of the sacred name.
The Monad, the Inner Being never falls. The human soul is what falls, it is the human soul of Jahve that has fallen and become an Arch-Demon. The Monad of this Arch-Demon is still a great Master of the White Lodge. The human soul of Jahve is divorced from its Intimate Being. The Monad of Jahve has withdrawn due to the horrible actions of its child.
The Black Lodge follows the fallen Boddhisatva, the Arch-Demon: Jahve. That is why the Zionists have corrupted our concept as to the "true pronunciation of the Name of God", they want us to unconsciously assimilate the forces that this Arch-Demon channels in hell.
No matter what the Name of your Monad is, it is still the Holy Tetragrammaton. You must understand what the Tetragrammaton means, what it symbolises (this has been dealt with in many of other posts on this forum).
There are many Names of God. "Split a piece of wood and you will find me, lift a stone and I am there...". For example, the Hebrews have a name for God in each Sephirah in each of the Four Worlds and many more... It depends upon the level of Being one is referring to.
I hope this cleared some cobwebs for you.

[iris]

In some bibletranslations they write the word God or Lord with capital letters when it is Jehova and with small letters when it is Jahweh as I was told once. No idea if that's true.

The question about Jahve crucifying Jesus so that He could redeem humanity... I would like some comments on that. Isn't it so that this had to happen? Eventhough it was the most hostile deed?
I remember vaguely to have read somewhere something about this in Samaels writings, but I am not sure. But Samael did write about Judas betraying Jesus, and how he was supposed to do so. (Not to compare Jahve and Judas).

The Monad, the Inner Being never falls. The human soul is what falls, it is the human soul of Jahve that has fallen and become an Arch-Demon. The Monad of this Arch-Demon is still a great Master of the White Lodge. The human soul of Jahve is divorced from its Intimate Being. The Monad of Jahve has withdrawn due to the horrible actions of its child.

This demon Jahwe, the fallen boddhisatva, would he be conscious of his own state? Would he know? When we read about Beelzebub, Samael had to convince him and tell him so that he would see. He didn't realise. He could change after he saw how had fallen.

And his Monad, who is still a Master, is divorced from the human soul. But if it weren't for the call of his Monad, how would a demon ever feel the need to return to where he came from?
If a demon repents, does he still have the solar bodies? Would he know?

Samael describes how he met with demons in the Astral. Obviously Samael was awake. But those fallen angels, how can they be conscious in the astral if they are so asleep that they don't even know that they are black? And if they are awakened (for evil), that implies a conscious decision. So why then they don't see themselves for what they are? If they have chosen this themselves, deliberately.

Can anybody clarify this for me?

[James Crow]

There are perhaps a hundred different names of God in the original texts. The translators in their ignorance reduced them to "God."

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Samael Aun Weor explained that Jesus came to open the doors of Initiation to humanity. In doing so, he was to live the Universal Cosmic Drama in a physical form: but it was NOT part of the plan for him to be crucified. This was the diabolic interference of Jahve, who hates the Christ.

The Law of Karma allows demons to perform their actions in accordance with the Law: that is, those who suffer at the hands of demons suffer because of karma; the law allows this. But the demon accrues karma for his actions nonetheless.

However, it can also happen that demons go beyond what the Law allows, as in the case of Jahve. So, he receives even more punishment.

The Law allows free will to all; but not freedom from consequences.

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Judas was performing his sacred duty. That is all.

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Jahve knows very well who he is and what he is. He mistakenly believes that his manner of behavior will help him achieve more light one day.

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Most of your questions in this topic are readily answered in The Revolution of Beelzebub. For example, the Monad calls his son, but the son does not listen, as in the case of Beelzebub.

The difference in the case of Beelzebub is that he never knew there was a path of the light. He thought he was on it. Jahve knows better.

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There are two kinds of fallen angels. Asleep and awake. The asleep ones are fallen bodhisattvas who are trapped in the ego and wander asleep through the Wheel of Samsara. They look like any intellectual animal.

The awake ones can be of two types. The consciousness is a polarity. One can be awake in the light or in the darkness.

A demon is awake in the darkness to a certain percentage.

The one who is returning to the Angelic state (or beyond) is awakening in the light.

Each is working to raise (or lower) his Level of Being.

A demon (who is awake in the darkness) knows that to progress as a demon he has to bring others into his path (the Left-hand path). For him, this is advancing, but we know that this is to move lower on the level of Being (further and further from the Being). However, they believe that this is a good way to go.

Remember, to be awakened is not the problem; the problem is to awaken in the right way.

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." - Daniel 12:2

Either way, there are levels of Being.

Some are more awake than others.

A witch who has awakened in the darkness is awake in the internal planes, but does not perceive the big picture. Some of them come to see more than others; and in this way they become more dangerous.

The worst are the fallen angels who have awakened in darkness. They are the arch-demons, those who manipulate and confuse everyone for their own purposes. Ironically, most of them do what the do because they believe that in the end it will make them more powerful in the light, when they finally turn in that direction. Unfortunately, they are wrong. Some have realized it, and renounced. But most follow Jahve and curse the Light.

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Truthfully, we are all demons because we have the ego.

However, it is one thing to be like us, mostly asleep, and another thing to be 100% awake in evil. This is much worse, and yet millions are rushing toward this state. Sitting atop the pile are a handful of awakened fallen angels, true devils who know very well the cosmic scenario, but who selfishly manipulate others in order to advance their diabolic plan.

Truly, our circumstances are beyond intellectual understanding.

[Isabel]

In some bibletranslations they write the word God or Lord with capital letters when it is Jehova and with small letters when it is Jahweh as I was told once. No idea if that's true.

I don't think Hebrew has capitol letters.

The question about Jahve crucifying Jesus so that He could redeem humanity... I would like some comments on that. Isn't it so that this had to happen? Eventhough it was the most hostile deed?
I remember vaguely to have read somewhere something about this in Samaels writings, but I am not sure. But Samael did write about Judas betraying Jesus, and how he was supposed to do so. (Not to compare Jahve and Judas).

My understanding is that Jesus was not supposed to be crucified physically. The crucifixion is lived in the process of every Boddhisatva who is finishing the Magnum Opus. Jahve and his Zionist conspiracy managed to crucify the Lord physically. Judas was actually a great initiate who did his duty. The Lord asked him to fulfill the role that he played and Judas sacrificed himself to do this.

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The Monad, the Inner Being never falls. The human soul is what falls, it is the human soul of Jahve that has fallen and become an Arch-Demon. The Monad of this Arch-Demon is still a great Master of the White Lodge. The human soul of Jahve is divorced from its Intimate Being. The Monad of Jahve has withdrawn due to the horrible actions of its child.

This demon Jahwe, the fallen boddhisatva, would he be conscious of his own state? Would he know? When we read about Beelzebub, Samael had to convince him and tell him so that he would see. He didn't realise. He could change after he saw how had fallen.

And his Monad, who is still a Master, is divorced from the human soul. But if it weren't for the call of his Monad, how would a demon ever feel the need to return to where he came from?
If a demon repents, does he still have the solar bodies? Would he know?

That particular demon is a fallen Boddhisatva. The Boddhisatva carries the knowledge of the path within the auric embryo. That is, even after that fallen Boddhisatva involves for many mahamanvantaras in the mineral kingdom, the Boddhicitta, the knowledge of the path will remain inside the depths of that being forever. After the involution process takes place, the Monad returns to work with His child once more. Remember, this can happen 3000 times.
The fallen Boddhisatva still has solar bodies, they are just fallen (ie, they don't work as well because they are filled with defects again). The solar bodies will remain until the fallen Boddhisatva involves into the mineral kingdom, then the solar bodies will slowly dissolve in the second death.

Samael describes how he met with demons in the Astral. Obviously Samael was awake. But those fallen angels, how can they be conscious in the astral if they are so asleep that they don't even know that they are black? And if they are awakened (for evil), that implies a conscious decision. So why then they don't see themselves for what they are? If they have chosen this themselves, deliberately.

Beelzebub was not a fallen Boddhisatva, many people don't realize this. But Samael did explain this in his book on the said subject. Therefore, Beelzebub only knew evil, he did not know good. Jahve on the other hand, he knew good and he knows evil therefore, he is totally aware of what he is doing and why he is doing it. There are four types of Hanasmussen. If you understand these four types, you will understand the difference between the various demons.

[iris]

Thanks all.

I've also read this topic: The path of the razors' edge/true god or demiurg.
There is a lot of insightful information in there.

From the Secret Book of John (chapter 13):

"And when Yaltabaoth noticed that they withdrew from him, he cursed his earth. He found the woman as she was preparing herself for her husband. He was lord over her, though he did not know the mystery which had come to pass through the holy decree. And they were afraid to blame him. And he showed his angels his ignorance which is in him. And he cast them out of paradise and he clothed them in gloomy darkness. And the chief archon saw the virgin who stood by Adam, and that the luminous Epinoia of life had appeared in her. And Yaltabaoth was full of ignorance. And when the foreknowledge of the All noticed (it), she sent some and they snatched life out of Eve.

"And the chief archon seduced her and he begot in her two sons; the first and the second (are) Eloim and Yahve. Eloim has a bear-face and Yahve has a cat-face. The one is righteous but the other is unrighteous. Yahve he set over the fire and the wind, and Eloim he set over the water and the earth. And these he called with the names Cain and Abel with a view to deceive.

"Now up to the present day, sexual intercourse continued due to the chief archon. And he planted sexual desire in her who belongs to Adam. And he produced through intercourse the copies of the bodies, and he inspired them with his counterfeit spirit."


Now.... is this the same Jahwe as the one we have been discussing here?
Who is the Demiurg, isn't that the one that brought forth Jahve/Cain, the animal mind?

JHVH, is the lead creator of the "material" world, creator of physical bodies of Adam and Eve, who entered the "material" world when they ate the forbidden fruit. And at the same time JHVH is a *fallen demon* (for he has ruling power over our conciousness, and we are his slaves). He is the Lesser Light that rules the Night. And he is the one who trains us to seek the Father. I suspect that Lucifer and JHVH are same entity, actually.

Now I am really confused...
How can (Kristos-)Lucifer be the same entity as Jahwe if he is the antithesis? Lucifer as trainer, as the one who is against us so that we might find out the truth about ourselves... okay...
But a demon who is the opposite of Christ, of Love... how can he be the same entity as his shadow?
If that's so... whatfor do we need to be saved then?

Besides: Lucifer is not a fallen demon. Jahve is.
I may be mistaken, but to describe Lucifer ( or Christ) as an entity seems not correct to me.

[James Crow]

Lucifer and Jahve are not the same.

Jahve has no interest in our betterment.

Lucifer is Prometheus, who gives the illumination to Man (manas = mind).

[Isabel]

YHVH: Jahve- we have explained already the difference between the Arch-Demon/fallen Boddhisatva and his Inner Monad which has fled from him due to his evil actions.
YHVH: Jehovah or Yod-Chava- the Monad that rules over the Moon, Jesod, Eden. Jehovah is also symbolic of our own particular Supra-Monad. That is, Kether-Chockmah-Binah (see www.gnostickabbalah.com).

Okay, look: Yod-Chava (Jehova) and Jahve-- they are pronounced differently, they are different Monads, different beings and have different Boddhisatvas. They just happened to be spelled the same in the Hebrew language. Both are composed of the same four letters, which as we explained are highly symbolic letters that symbolize a very esoteric and profound aspect of the Being.

Iris, your quotation is something that is totally 100% symbolic and not literal in any way. Lucifer is the Demiurge, he emanates from the Solar Logos (which is the symbolic Jehovah- YHVH), he is the reflection of the Cosmic Christ within our own sexual glands! Lucifer is within Jehovah and Lucifer is within Jahve. He is the staircase that ascends and the staircase that descends! He is in you and me. In food, air and impressions. Everything, everything, everything!

Meditate on these things while you study the works of Master Samael.

Yaldabaoth is an Angel who rules over the mind. Cain and Abel are inferior and superior Manas. Jahve is the head of the Black Lodge, the Elohim are the Gods and Goddesses who rule over all of creation. All of this contains aspects of Lucifer! All of this has a strictly esoteric meaning. Learn the basics first, learn Kabbalah before delving into this type of literature.

www.gnostickabbalah.com

[iris]

Thanks for your help.
I am actually working my way through the books and kabbalah, but it is so much.... and so completely different from everything I have learned throughout the years. And I have learned so many different things.... very confusing.
But okay, that's the way it is, I am just trying to start all over again.

[iris]

Thank you, Kazz.

Hopefully one day I will understand better, but at least all of you have given me some outlines now.

[arin]

Samael Aun Weor explained that Jesus came to open the doors of Initiation to humanity. In doing so, he was to live the Universal Cosmic Drama in a physical form: but it was NOT part of the plan for him to be crucified. This was the diabolic interference of Jahve, who hates the Christ.

And from then on Jesus began to show his disciples that he was destined to go to Jerusalem and receive great sorrow from the priests and the high priests and scribes, and be killed, and in the third day to be resurrected.

So, Jesus was supposed to be killed but not to be crucified?

[gnowone]

Wow this thread seems to get more convoluted the further it goes.

Isabel: Earlier you stated that the Hebrew spelling of God is

JHVH: Yod He Vau He; this is the Holy Tetragrammaton

And then later on you said that it is

YHVH: Jahve- we have explained already the difference between the Arch-Demon/fallen Boddhisatva and his Inner Monad which has fled from him due to his evil actions.
YHVH: Jehovah or Yod-Chava- the Monad that rules over the Moon, Jesod, Eden. Jehovah is also symbolic of our own particular Supra-Monad. That is, Kether-Chockmah-Binah

Are J and Y the same letter in Hebrew spelling? I am still confused...

[samanera]

As far as I know; 'J' doesn't exist in Hebrew.

It's merely a Romanization of the 'Y' sound.

[Isabel]

Actually, "J" was an addition to the Latin languages less than a thousand years ago during what linguists call the great consonant shift. Before, "J" sounds there were Y sounds (ya or ye) and I sounds (Ie, Iuo)...

Sorry, I use J, I, or Y interchangably because when you study classical Kabbalistic literature, you will find that some use Y, some 'I' and some use J. In this case, all refer to the Hebrew letter Yod, Iod, or Jod. This letter is related with fire, the Father, Divine Activity etc. Again, sorry for not sticking with one of the letters, I just use whichever one when I type.

Yod (Iod, Jod)
He
Vau (Vod, Vaw, etc)
He

We are just trying to write the way Hebrew sounds with our English letters.

Therefore the following names are often written in the following manner:
Jahve, Yahwe, Jaweh, Yahweh, Jave, etc...

Jehovah, Jahovah, Iod-Cheve, IAOH, Yod-Chavah, Io-Cheve, etc.

Both of the names are spelled the same in Hebrew (that is the point)