Female Orgasm & The Role of the Woman in Tantra Options

[swangpo]

does anybody knows the signs of female orgasm before, during and after that happens and what is the right time for the woman to stop any motion before she reaches the non-return point?

[Ryan]

Why don't you ask a few different kinds of females and find out!

[swangpo]

mr ryan,
u seem to be young so i feel obliged to answer;
avoid unnecessary/harmful contacts with common people in general and especialy with common women....except if u wanna socialize yourself /fortify your egos and be a member of the mass conciousness.
what we share here the "gnostic" mass conciousness is enough for this life dont you think?

[iris]

Let me answer your question.
For a woman it normally takes more time to experience orgasm than for a male. The majority of women need more than 'just having intercourse'.
Also there is a difference between males and females on the emotional level. Men can have sex and orgasm when they don't feel love for a woman, or when they even don't feel a little bit of tenderness. For women this is different. When they don't feel loved they won't easily enjoy the experience, eventhough they may behave as if they do. That's in general.
A woman often needs specific stimulation, especially in the clitoral area, and thus she experiences orgasm. However, inside the vagina there are different area's that are very sensitive, and those, when stimilated in a certain way, can also provoke orgasm.

In general, the more love there is, the easier the woman will feel "hot".
When a woman has an orgasm her vagina will have contractions, which can often be felt by the male when he is inside her. It is a series of small contractions, shortly after each other. Normally this lasts for about 30 till 60 seconds, and it is rytmic. She cannot control it, like a man cannot control his orgasm. This is different from the subtle movements that can sometimes be felt during practising the Arcanum.

Also, when people have orgasm, be it male or female, they loose control over themselves. Not only in the sexual parts of their bodies. They cannot talk properly, their faces look strange, they open their eyes widely or they squeeze them, sometimes their whole body is in a cramp, they are clinging to each other, etc. Real communication is not possible in such a moment.

Shortly before that, a woman will certainly feel that she is very close. I guess this is more or less the same feeling as a man has moments before the orgasm. At that point, she (and he) should stop moving (or withdraw entirely), and she must make sure to relax her vaginal muscles. She can do so by will. To be on the safe side, it would be actually better to take a pause before feeling to be very close. A few deep breaths will help.

If you have a woman, Swangpo, and I understood you have, you might wanna discuss these things with her, so you can help each other better.
Technically spoken, to avoid orgasm during the practise is more difficult for males than for females, so I wouldn't worry to much. Especially when there is only little movement she won't be in danger very quickly.

[swangpo]

thank you.
what are the symptoms after the fem ejaculation?

[iris]

Women don't normally ejaculate in the way that man do. Although it is possible.

What happens after the orgasm?
Well, then it is too late, isn't it? You will have lost the precious energies.
Let's hope you won't get to that point.

EDIT:
Okay, I just realise that you might be asking because you are scared that it has happened but you are not sure.
If the woman experiences orgasm for the first time, she might indeed not know for sure what it was. But she will know for sure that she felt something happening (fysically) that she never felt before. That's the first indication. Besides there's all these things that I described in the above post.
After the orgasm she will slowly relax. Men often want to sleep (after their own orgasm). Women want to be close to their partner, needing attention. Fysically it might be difficult to continue the practise for the humidity of the woman has decreased. It might even be a little painful.

I know you don't want to ask non-gnostics, but it might be helpful to you to learn more about the anatomy of the sexual organs. There are many books on that subject. And although they don't reject orgasm, they might be able to teach you more about the actual processes that take place.

If it has gone wrong with one of you already, you cannot change it anymore. The only thing you can do is prevent it to happen in the future. By educating yourself. By helping each other. By being careful. Etc.

All the best.

[Augustin]

Does the woman lose as much energy in her orgasm as the man does in his?
I understood that women were naturally multi-orgasmic because there was no loss of energy involved. Please do correct me.

There is all this talk from (seemingly) very spiritual women who have their Kundalini awakened about G-spot massage/ powerful orgasms being good to release deep emotional trauma...

A woman asked:
"Now that my kundalini is rising, what am I to do with all this horniness?"

I don't dare quoting the reply by another, awakened woman...

I am not sure I make sense of all this...

Augustin.

[Isabel]

There is all this talk from (seemingly) very spiritual women who have their Kundalini awakened about G-spot massage/ powerful orgasms being good to release deep emotional trauma...

A woman asked:
"Now that my kundalini is rising, what am I to do with all this horniness?"

I don't dare quoting the reply by another, awakened woman...

The only type of awakening a woman who fornicates may have is negative awakening of the Kundabuffer organ.
These people are mistaking the "rising of the Kundalini" for the awakening of the Kundabuffer organ.

[Ryan]

swangpo, why do you think that it's wrong to socialize and talk to "common" people? Why is it uneccessary?

If you look at the great individuals of the past, they always manifested themsleves into the social realm, take Steiner or Samael for instance.

You should not be afraid to compare your findings (about your question) on conversations with gnostics and conversations with non-gnostics. It is always good (in my opinion) to talk to as many people as possible when I having a question. Of course, talking about sex is always a touchy and delicate subject, but one that we must have courage to speak about openly. One thing I've learned in this "young" life of mine is that people will always surprise you, even when you think they know nothing! Having a talk with someone you don't know personally might be a good way to work on the fortification of your ego's, because for me it's not that big a problem.

We need to take heed to the words of the V.M. and take Gnosis out there to the world...to society, to common, regular people. That's where it's needed most, and that's taking Gnosis to the next level...spreading the word.

[iris]

Augustin, as far as I know men loose indeed more energy than women when having orgasm. Which doesn't mean that there is no loss at all. Remember, the actual semen is not the fluid itself, it is the energy (invisible) that's in it.
Especially in Chinese tradition it is said that childbirth and menstruation take a lot of energy from women.

[swangpo]

there is one more thing i cant understand;
the quantity of the "waters" do not relate to the "quantity" of the energy inclosed?
which means; the women with less quantity of waters than men, can have the same reserves of energy? how is that possible since e = mc2?
i cant imagine super ovaries inclosing the same quantity of energy like in men's case.

[Augustin]

Thank you Isabel and Iris for clarifying so many things for me.

Especially in Chinese tradition it is said that childbirth and menstruation take a lot of energy from women.

I know this to the truth, just by watching my (Chinese) wife.

Peace,

Augustin

[swangpo]

MR RYAN,
I got your points, my answer to;

"swangpo, why do you think that it's wrong to socialize and talk to "common" people? Why is it uneccessary?"

ofcourse we are parts of a big family and we have to deal with many people around us.....but u know that under acropolis was living a man called diogenes.....who was seraching for a man when the laws above his head were still 48 and not 96 of the present.........
if you cant feel the burden then u r accustomed to it but remember that all babies need special care the first years of their lifes.......

I am not a "great individual" to confront the 96 laws.....some years back they were less but even in my small city (210000 people) i can sense the adding of extra laws in the present daily life.........and the filthiness of common people vibrations. after all when you have to talk about sex they r all experts from the 15. anyway, this is not a reason to stop spreading the gnosis but its not enough for me for start talking about it since usualy when u talk about something newly discovered you lose at the same time its inner beauty and magic.......think about it.
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"If you look at the great individuals of the past, they always manifested themsleves into the social realm, take Steiner or Samael for instance".

great individuals......yes, i have answered on that.
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"You should not be afraid to compare your findings (about your question) on conversations with gnostics and conversations with non-gnostics. It is always good (in my opinion) to talk to as many people as possible when I having a question. Of course, talking about sex is always a touchy and delicate subject, but one that we must have courage to speak about openly. One thing I've learned in this "young" life of mine is that people will always surprise you, even when you think they know nothing! Having a talk with someone you don't know personally might be a good way to work on the fortification of your ego's, because for me it's not that big a problem."
We need to take heed to the words of the V.M. and take Gnosis out there to the world...to society, to common, regular people. That's where it's needed most, and that's taking Gnosis to the next level...spreading the word.

i ll answer in a known language to you;
"pepromenou fygei adynaton esti", those who really need you they ll find you...

[Pupil]

I don't agree with you, swangpo.

Everybody is a commoner until they are changed. You were a commoner before you were changed. I think we must open up to humanity and not become spiritual germophobes. This does not mean to practise indiscretion - we must always isolate those who emit negative emotions - but it does mean to be brave and to realize that LIFE is our gymnasium, not our theories.

Most people are still very beautiful inside. Many young people are lustful, brutal, lewd, etc. but in them, once can still see the decency of the essence. Such people may not even know that they want Gnosis, becaue the voice of conscience is so bottled up. But who are we to judge?

Judge not, lest ye be judged. Whether silently or out loud.

We must love our fellow man and treat each and every one of them with respect. This means the courage to face reality - degenerate or not, 48 laws or 96 etc.

Anyhow, this is my own opinion and my own experience. I was once more judgmental than I am now...and thank God I have changed...because there are many beautiful people who need us, as we need them, in this world.

[Isabel]

Whether in a male or a female initiate, the intentional orgasm will result in the total loss of the Kundalini.
If it is by accident, the Kundalini will descend according the degree of the mistake (the Being and the Judges of the Law know the hearts of man).
The winds and channels of the physiology of a woman is receptive, inner, inside, within, passive, negative, negating, withdrawn, instinctive, natural.
The etheric make up of the man is more active, projective, faster, etc.
The male's body plants the seed and the woman's body is the soil that receives it.
In either instance, the orgasm brings about the destruction of the soil and the seed. It desacrates the hollowed ground with the blood of the offerings to false idols.
Whether the physical liquor of the woman exits the physical body or not, the spasm/orgasm has the same results.
A main purpose of alchemy is to eliminate the lust of the flesh. To send the energy to the Inner Being, to give the Holy Spirit the materials to create with.
Do not be confused by the way the sexual act and physical bodies of man and women differ, only the sensual mind sees a contradiction here. Truley, man and woman have the same bodies, they are just perfectly opposite or inside-out.

[iris]

That's a beautiful explanation, Isabel. I hope it will help us all in our understanding of these things.

Swangpo, I just want to pay my respect to you, it was obviously not easy for you to ask about these delicate matters. If you ever need advise again, please don't hesitate. As you see, there are answers.

[swangpo]

YES, nice explanation indeed.
still, according to the law of analogies of hermes (and not of the sensual mind) between physical, ethereal and astral planes there must be a correspondence of all elements' then where is the prima materia in woman's case? is that prima materia in woman scattered all over her body? is that possible? where is it located?
moreover, how is that possible in menstruations case for the woman to lose her energies every month and still make progress??

if there is a case where the woman can reserve big ammounts of energy
in such small quantity of waters then why do i have to control a bigger ammount of waters where there is no place to keep them also sometimes, having always the danger to lose them since the womans case is safer and easier....?

supposedly;
10 particles of waters = 10 part of energy/progress
5 particles waters (-) 2 parts every month = 10 part of energy?

someone must be in an unfavorable condition than the other and i dont know which one......

[iris]

I honestly don't know the answer to that.
I just am not the type that thinks in formulas. Your questions are interesting, and my brain doesn't get it. But somehow I just don't see a problem, it just makes sense to me, whether or not it can be explained.
So, let's hope someone will be able to answer you. I would also be interested in the answer.

Regarding menstruation: I have noticed that things are a lot better when a woman is balanced and at peace. There seems to be less energyloss. I feel that we ourselves have a lot of influence on these processes. I also think that for women who are in a loving relationship it's more easy to master their internal energies.

[Isabel]

As a girl matures and enters puberty, the pituitary gland releases hormones that stimulate the ovaries to produce other hormones called estrogen and progesterone. These hormones have many effects on a girl's body, including physical maturation, growth, and emotions.

About once a month, a tiny egg leaves one of the ovaries - a process called ovulation - and travels down one of the fallopian tubes toward the uterus. In the days before ovulation, the hormone estrogen stimulates the uterus to build up its lining with extra blood and tissue, making the walls of the uterus thick and cushioned. This happens to prepare the uterus for pregnancy: If the egg reaches the uterus and is fertilized by a sperm cell, it attaches to the cushiony wall of the uterus, where it slowly develops into a baby.

If the egg isn't fertilized, though - which is the case during most of a girl's monthly cycles - it doesn't attach to the wall of the uterus. When this happens, the uterus sheds the extra tissue lining. The blood, tissue, and unfertilized egg leave the uterus, going through the vagina on the way out of the body. This is a menstrual period. This cycle happens almost every month for several more decades (except, of course, when a female is pregnant) until a woman reaches menopause and no longer releases eggs from her ovaries.

Thus, during this time, only ONE egg leaves the ovaries. During the ejaculation of semen, for example, a LEGION of sperm are wasted for the reason of stimulating the desire of the flesh.
The Glorian has placed three elements, three forces within our creative glands. This is the reflection of the supernal Logos within us. This, the Holy Triamatzicamno, is the law of three, the law of creation. It is with these three forces that the seed has the power to create.
Remember that the materia prima transforms into energy. This can be transformed into superior forces or inferior forces. This energy can be fed to the soul or to the ego. Perhaps some of the liquor remains in the body, as the woman's body is receptive, negating, a womb etc. Or perhaps some of it can be fed directly to the ego of lust when this creative force is used negatively.

10 particles of waters = 10 part of energy/progress
5 particles waters (-) 2 parts every month = 10 part of energy?

No, both the male and the female have three forces within their sexual glands.
It is not the physical amount of liquor that the alchemist is concerned with, per se, as long as one never ever spills it or wastes it, the natural and correct amount will fill your cup.
It is vibration, the refinement, the quality of that liquor that the alchemist is concerned with. This vibration can only be refined through transforming impressions, alchemy, Pancatattwa ritual, Esoteric Gnostic practices etc.

[iris]

Isabel, I have a question about this.
Of course a woman looses only one egg during her menstruation (and that is not fornication of course), but how then would you explain that most women feel so bad during that time?
Many women feel horrible for half of the month. First pms, before the actual menstruation, and then the monthly period itself, and then some days to recover...
Women feel the loss of energy in that period, but they don't feel bad after spilling. They even say that it gives them energy! And I guess also men don't feel the effect that spilling has so much as long as they are unaware that it is harmful.