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The Black Magic Of The Matrix |
Feb 26 2005, 08:21 AM
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Someone wrote this to me:
> I have gnostic friends that teach Gnosis through the > vision and comment of "gnostic" movies. A very > famous gnostic movie is the Clash of the Titans > (1981). It needs a very detailed explanation, as > Wagner's "Parsifal" does. > My gnostic friends also teach the "Matrix" movies. > The following is a summary of what I understood from > the "Matrix" movie. > > We are all in the Matrix, we sleep all the time, and > we can’t see the reality [due to our psychological > defects]. Neo is the One because he can secure his > liberty [from psychological defects]. He feels that > there is something wrong in his life. Not all of us > have this feeling, because not all of us are the > "one". We cannot see the Matrix because it is in us > and around us [when the devil is inside us we loose > our consciousness]. The Matrix is Evil, because it > wants to absorb our vital energy [our psychological > defects make us angry, envious, greedy, violent, > lazy, and ultimately unconscious]. Christians call > the Matrix the Devil or Satan. He keeps us sleeping > and blind. He makes us believe that the real life is > to hate, to envy, to be greedy, to worship > ourselves, to enjoy eating and to be lazy. > The Matrix doesn’t want us to understand that we are > slaves, it torments us with desire when it needs > more of our energy, and keeps us lazy when we have > an opportunity to understand. The Matrix betrays us > every minute with our mind [like Pilate who betrays > the Christ]. Our mind will never set us free, > because reasoning is a mechanical-analytical > process, that dumbs our consciousness. Nobody can > explain you what the Matrix is like, you have to see > it with your eyes. You have to walk the path, the > road to freedom. Nobody can explain you how freedom > is, until you are set free [from psychological > defects or ego]. You have to take the red pill and > go all the way down [want to understand how things > work in the physical world]. Nobody can explain you > what Love is like, until you are in love. Trinity > represents the three Marys of the Gospel: the > Mother, our Divine part and the Bride. Trinity never > abandons Neo. She cares for Neo during all the film. > She begets the new man: Neo [she is the > gnostic priestess that works in the ninth sphere]. > Neo finds his road to freedom through Trinity and > Morpheus. Morpheus is what the Christians call the > Prophet or the Messiah. He sacrifices his life to > help Neo to wake up and be born again. While you > sleep you are blind because the Matrix makes you > believe that what you are dreaming is real. The > Matrix is a network of machines that feed on the > electricity produced by the body of human beings > [the psychological defects that absorb human > energy]. > It makes you sleep, it keeps you in a prison and it > makes you believe that your dreams are reality [it > makes you believe that the psychological defects are > a natural aspect of the human nature, which is a > Satanic teaching]. You wake up only if you have good > will and if you let Morpheus help you [the sword > represents the will in Gnosis]. When you wake up, > you see what the Matrix is like in reality [how life > is without psychological defects, how disgusting is > the ego]. The first moments of your real life are > shocking and disgusting, because you see what the > Matrix does to you and to other people. You see a > boundless machine that keeps a great multitude of > people asleep and that absorbs their energy through > their energetic centers. You see wires connected all > over your body while absorbing your vital energy. > Those wires represent what in all cultures are > called devils or evil spirits. If you can see what > the Matrix is like, you are disgusted and you want > to run away from it [the free > essence is disgusted by its enemy: the ego]. If you > cannot see how the Matrix is like, you don’t want to > be freed, and you want to keep on sleeping. Once you > are set free from the Matrix, you have to face > another danger: you have go back into the Matrix > [and deal with people with psychological defects]. > When you go back in the Matrix you realize that it > is everywhere and it controls everything and > everybody that you used to know [the ego is very > powerful nowadays, and black magicians have a > tremendous power]. > When Neo goes back into the Matrix he has to learn > how to fight against it. Fight against the > psychological defects is inevitable, once you walk > though the razor's path. The Christ drives the > merchants out of the temple though fight. The > merchants are the psychological defects, the Temple > is the mind. The Christ violently and cruelly dies > through the passion. The cross, the vertical union > of two beams, represents the union of the penis and > the vagina. Through the cross Jesus died to become a > new man. The dead on the cross represents the dead > of the ego, which is an aggregation of psychological > defects. Christ represented in public an inner > battle that we all have to fight if we want to be > free from the ego. The Golgotha means the "skull", > where the energy of the Kundalini goes, where the > battle against the psychological defects is fought , > where the ego dies and a new man (with no ego) > resurrects three days after the crucifixion. It is > very difficult to see the Matrix once you go > back in it, because the Matrix has control over > your body and your mind. Your safety is in loving. > Love comes from Trinity all the time, even if you > don't realize it. Love comes from the Messiah, when > Morpheus renounces his happiness and freedom and > goes back into the Matrix to help the afflicted Neo. > He represents the Buddha of compassion, the Master > that incarnates a body to save the afflicted man. > Morpheus scarifies his life to free the afflicted > Neo, because of his great love for Neo. Neo > understands the sacrifice of Morpheus through > Trinity's love. Neo needs the love of Trinity to let > the Christ be born in his heart. When Neo unites > with Trinity, he becomes a divine creature. He > realizes that Love and faith are the most tremendous > magical powers existing in the universe. Love is for > Trinity; faith is in Morpheus and in his sacrifice. > Neo and Trinity fight together to rescue Morpheus. > There is a lot of violence in the "Matrix" movie > when the two become "one" and fight the ego. > They represent the gnostic couple that works in the > ninth sphere and is able to destroy the > psychological defects [in the movie they fight > against people that suppose to represent the > psychological defects, hence gratuitous violence]. > Neo suffers and dies when he fights without Trinity, > because being alone makes him weak. Trinity kisses > Neo and tells him that she loves him. Neo resurrects > to a new life and he is transformed into a new > conscious being. From the inside of the Matrix he > sees what the Matrix is like in reality: he begins > seeing streams of numbers. Neo performs miracles in > the Matrix: he is born again. > > Inverential peace, > John And I reply: Hello. I appreciate you writing out what most people think is the case with the Matrix films. Your description accurately conveys what is commonly given as a "Gnostic" interpretation of that film. Now, it is important to look deeper and penetrate into the undercurrent, because it is there that one will find the corruption. Because remember, no one will eat rotten food, for it is clear that it is no good. But the best poisons cannot be tasted or smelled; they are subtle, and work insidiously to devastate the one who ingests it. This is equally true of poisonous ideas. The best way to destroy an enemy is to use his own weapons against him. Therefore, the best way to sabotage Gnosis is to use Gnosis itself. That is why the overall structure and theme of the film seems so "Gnostic." This is a conscious effort: to take Gnostic ideas, structures, and patterns, and then rework them. How else did the Roman Catholic Church come to be? By the same method. Little by little, over centuries, the changes are made. Just so, The Matrix is a subtle perversion of essential truths. I do not dispute the themes or obvious symbols present in the films. However, what I do question is this: 1. Violence. War and battle is a part of Gnosis; The Mahabarata must be fought by every Initiate. However, it is another thing to stimulate the animal mind through grotesque, extreme and very sensual violence. This is a crime. 2. Lack of Divinity. God plays no role in these films. It is all up to the "man." There is no Inner Being, no respect for the Divine, no humility before the Creator, no Love or respect for the Superior Intelligences. (BTW, if Morpheus was the Being, then he would never lose Faith., But the Morpheus character (who is the Greek God of Sleep, by the way) does lose faith.) 3. Lack of Sanctity. There is no need for "Neo" to destroy his Pride, his Lust, his Vanity, his envy; in fact, these are encouraged by the film, and he is driven to use the "courage of a beast" in order to accomplish his goals. This courage is founded in Self-will, rather than the will of the Divine. This is exactly what Samael Aun Weor describes in Revolution of Beelzebub, where he demonstrates that the initiations in the black lodge do not require any moral progress: they only require the courage of the beast to overcome physical circumstances. This is what Neo is always doing: using his Self-will. On the contrary, initiations of the White Lodge always require supreme repentance of the ego in question, humility and the death of each self-willed ego. Neo never demonstrates such qualities, nor does our society encourage them. Things are quite the opposite these days. 4. Desire for Sensation. All of the films display a running theme of sensation as a measure of progress or success, but none more vividly than the 3rd. In this film, the inhabitants of "Zion" have a giant orgy before the "big battle." This is supposed to be the symbol of the Celestial Jerusalem! If this does not demonstrate the degenerated nature of these films, then I do not know what else could be more clear. Likewise, in the same film, one of Neo's "opponents" uses desire for sensation to enslave others (the cake scene). This is a clear manipulation on the part of the filmmakers, who are demonstrating the powers of black magic to manipulate others. No White Magician would ever show how to do such a thing. 5. Tantrism. The root postulate of black tantra is that the orgasm is a means to Realization. This film supports that claim, and it is shown quite clearly in the 3rd film. And if this does not convince you, then how could this gentleman make a positive, truly Gnostic movie: "As you may know Larry Wachowski (one of the directors of the Matrix trilogy) is probably transsexual (and probably plans to undergo a transgender operation). Thus the preference for leather and latex (in the movies). And thus the story about domination and control. In fact 'Matrix' could be a cousin word of 'Latex', 'Dominatrix' and 'TransX'. "Here is what Jake Miller has to say (Jake Miller is a female-to-male transsexual (after a sex-change), and a companion of Larry Wachowski at the Matrix 1 premiere in Los Angeles): "Jake Miller: "[Larry Wachowski] is obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and likes to wear a blonde wig, pink dresses and stiletto heels prior to being punished by his mistress and acting as her slave.... [Larry] has been cross-dressing for years and everybody knows it... When Larry walked down the red carpet... he was probably wearing a bra and panties under his suit" "On the Matrix set, Larry was visited (for weeks) by Karin Winslow (aka Ilsa Strix, wrongly called Ilsa Stix). The Mirror (a British tabloid) calls her a "well-known sado-masochistic dominatrix". Karin Winslow seems to have become the girl-friend of Larry Wachowski (who wants to be called Lana Wachowski?)." "He who has an ear to hear, let him hear..." I have spent enough time on this. I know that there are plenty of people who are too much in love with these movies to see through them, but perhaps someone will take their DVD and throw it away for the trash that it is. -------------------- Best regards.
Remember: "Gnosis is lived upon facts, withers away in abstractions, and is difficult to find even in the noblest of thoughts." |
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Feb 26 2005, 09:31 AM
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![]() Registered Member Group: Members Posts: 2,276 Joined: 3-March 04 From: Thigle Nyag-gcig Member No.: 18 |
Thank you Mr. Crow.
You make some very good points(one or two of which I would like to address later). I too was fooled by the apparent "deep knowledge" of this movie("Gnostic" symbolism, The (Grand)Architect, The Merovingian, etc. etc.). Now I'm beginning to see it for what it really is. That whole sex-change thing sounds familiar as well; just didn't know if it's true. Anyhow, here is some relevant info from the following thread: http://www.gnosis-usa.com/forum/index.php?...topic=250&st=20 QUOTE(Isabel @ Dec 2 2004, 01:42 PM) It is not that Samael "didn't like to go to the movies". Actually, if you read his recommendation on this subject, he learned through direct experience that the movie theaters have a black dragon within the actual physical place (not including the impressions from the movie itself). Therefore, when one goes, one ALWAYS becomes infected to a greater or lesser degree with these black diseases, larvae etc. If you are beginning, and have not experienced this yet, that is okay, but you should not give such advice. We should not take the liberty to go around pointing out the Master Samael's mistakes if we are not totally sure... Yes, there is larvae and perverted images in many places, but the fact is that the theaters are dens of black magic: physically and internally. The black lodge exists inside and outside of our own degenerated psyches. When we make contact with such tenebruous influences, it stimulates the tenebruous elements within our psyche. And, larvaes suck and steal your Hydrogen Si12, even if you are not fornicating. It is one thing to go swimming in a natural lake. It is another thing to go and grab a handful of leeches and put them in your pants! By the way, "The Matrix" is quite interesting from the point of view of the occultist. But, if you investigate that movie internally, you will find that it is symbolic of the initiation of a "NEOphyte" into the black lodge! Don't believe me, investigate internally! [snapback]3940[/snapback] QUOTE(samanera) The Matrix trinity is indeed steeped in esoteric symbolism. And you may be right Isabel. A certain FreeMason said that he saw some sort of magazine, which announced the Wachowski Bros. initiation into the O.T.O. (go figure Though it's possible that this is mere hearsay... Also, if I'm not mistaken, one of the diesel-trucks in The Matrix 2 says "OTO" right on it somewhere. And we know what the O.T.O. is all about these days..... -------------------- I Self Lord Am Master: "Reading the Kunjed Gyalpo you will often come across the word "I": "I am the nature of all phenomena," "I am the root of existence," and so on. This "I" is your true state: the Primordial Buddha, the supreme source of manifestation. Try to understand the meaning of Kunjed Gyalpo reading it in this light" - Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
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Feb 26 2005, 11:50 AM
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"Notice that it seems odd to a child to talk about getting married. It is becasue he still does not have the maturity to appriciate or debate on the matter that you are bringing up. The same happens with men who still lack spiritual matirity, when you talk to them about certain topics. If you talk to them about the doctrine of christification and redemption, they will treat you and see you as if you were demented....."
---Technique for Dissolving the "I" Many come to know Samael thru other teachings/schools. It seems to me not to condemn anyone for what they watch or how they interpert certain "movies". For the work one does is for our soul and if we are sincere enough our being will guide us to the right path. There are several paths to follow that will lead to the absolute, in the end all souls get absorbed with the absolute. Yes the Matrix is not the perfect gnostic movie, but it can lead many to true gnosis, soley by "opening their minds" to the illusionary world we all live in, and seek out the true answers themselves. We are still living in the most degenterated age of humanity, and any work on one self will not be easy, but we all need to start somewhere, and if watching the Matrix awakens your curiosity and brings you to true Gnosis, them IMHO it might have been worth it.. " The Gnostic must not be a fanatic. We must study everything to reject the useless and accept the useful. Gnosis is not against any religion, scholl or sect. We have fought for the moral purification of many religions, schools, orders, and sects. We have never been against any religion school or sect. We know that humanity is divided into groups and that each group needs its own system of particular instruction. All religions schools, orders, and sects are precious pearls that are strung on the golden thread of divinity...... Truely all religions are ineffable and divine. All religions, schools orders and sects are necessary" --Dream Yoga Ch 10 (Logos Mantram Theurgy) Again, what we read and watch, we must take the usefull and get rid of the useless. Each one is on a diffrent level of being, what seemed useful to us a few months/years ago is totally useless today. Even the sacred writing will be useless at one point. Very humbly yours Namaste L3 |
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Feb 26 2005, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE Written by James Crow: This is a conscious effort: to take Gnostic ideas, structures, and patterns, and then rework them. How else did the Roman Catholic Church come to be? By the same method. Little by little, over centuries, the changes are made. An interesting thread. Would it be more practical to discuss the above? Dion Fortune also alludes to this. -------------------- Whatsoever we beg of God, let us also work for it.
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Feb 26 2005, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(l3unam @ Feb 26 2005, 10:50 AM) We must study everything to reject the useless and accept the useful." So, once you realize the movie is useless, reject it! -------------------- "The affairs of the world will go on forever. Do not delay the practice of meditation." - Milarepa "Wherever we direct our attention, we expend creative energy." - Samael Aun Weor |
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Feb 26 2005, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(l3unam @ Feb 26 2005, 11:50 AM) There are several paths to follow that will lead to the absolute, in the end all souls get absorbed with the absolute. Yes but only one path gets you there consciously. -------------------- When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty.
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Feb 26 2005, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(l3unam) Yes the Matrix is not the perfect gnostic movie, but it can lead many to true gnosis, soley by "opening their minds" to the illusionary world we all live in, and seek out the true answers themselves. How does this open their minds? The truth of the matter is that it fascinates their minds. James already gave the reasons. Why the fascination for these movies? Again, like in other threads, I emphasize that these films may present Gnosic ideas, but hardly is the content Gnostic. Please stop supporting this garbage, my friend. -------------------- "...faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead." - James 2:17 "How many malicious people, as unending as space, can I kill? "When the mind-state of anger is slain, then all enemies are slain." - Shantideva |
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Feb 28 2005, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(Paul G. @ Feb 27 2005, 12:11 AM) QUOTE(l3unam) Yes the Matrix is not the perfect gnostic movie, but it can lead many to true gnosis, soley by "opening their minds" to the illusionary world we all live in, and seek out the true answers themselves. How does this open their minds? The truth of the matter is that it fascinates their minds. James already gave the reasons. Why the fascination for these movies? Again, like in other threads, I emphasize that these films may present Gnosic ideas, but hardly is the content Gnostic. Please stop supporting this garbage, my friend. [snapback]6178[/snapback] As I see it, the only good thing that can come from these films, is that they may inspire the person who sees them to search for spirituality, and perhaps find gnosis. -------------------- Lord, make me an instrument for Thy peace where there is hatred, let me sow love where there is injury, pardon where there is doubt, faith where there is despair, hope where there is darkness, light where there is sadness, joy |
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Feb 28 2005, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(Tenrai @ Feb 28 2005, 11:33 AM) QUOTE(Paul G. @ Feb 27 2005, 12:11 AM) QUOTE(l3unam) Yes the Matrix is not the perfect gnostic movie, but it can lead many to true gnosis, soley by "opening their minds" to the illusionary world we all live in, and seek out the true answers themselves. How does this open their minds? The truth of the matter is that it fascinates their minds. James already gave the reasons. Why the fascination for these movies? Again, like in other threads, I emphasize that these films may present Gnosic ideas, but hardly is the content Gnostic. Please stop supporting this garbage, my friend. [snapback]6178[/snapback] As I see it, the only good thing that can come from these films, is that they may inspire the person who sees them to search for spirituality, and perhaps find gnosis. [snapback]6207[/snapback] The one who's Being is leading them back to the path will be able to receive many impressions that remind him/her of their purpose. These impressions or influences of the initiatic principles are not mechanical, they are like arrows that are shot at a target, from the Inner Being to His child. Obviously there is wind, distance and our minds are moving targets-but the quiver of the Monad that is pushing the essence is always full of arrows. A word spoken by a stranger, a sound, a feeling all can be the influences of subtle forces at work. Yet, for one to make such a movie, the vast majority of individuals in this humanity are not receptive to the influences of the superior worlds. Instead, they like violence, sex, and mind control. This movie, the Matrix, made a GRAVE ERROR when likening the Architect to the "Guardian of the Threshold"! That is pure black magic working in the collective mind of the hypnotised individuals who have watched this movie. When watching this movie, children have the inclination to become more powerful, stronger, better, more in control... But they don't worry about their own egos and definitely don't consider submitting to the Intimate. Behind this movie is the black lodge, plain and simple. May the Gnostic students of the world be able to transform impressions and always be inspired to return to the Intimate on any occasion of life. Awakening through mind and not the consciousness is black magic. Believing that the Grand Architect of the universe is the Guardian of the Threshold is black magic. Don't believe me, read "The Revolution of Beelzebub". Believing that you must submit yourself to a vampiric, seductive witch, kissing her in front of your dear spouse, as an initiation on the path is BLACK MAGIC (and totally disgusting)! This movie is powerful in the mental plane, you know that. You also know that the most power black magicians are in the mental plane. This movie is truly ANTI GNOSTIC. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Mar 1 2005, 11:55 AM
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The Matrix inspired me to open my mind and eventually led me to Gnosis.
Sure there is violence. But what hollywood film doesn't have violence? There is no acknolwledgment of God. So what? This is not a Gnostic film, this is a hollywood film. If it was a film with no violance, no sex, no ego and talked about God no-one would watch it. Instead it has inspired millions of people to accept the teachings that Gnosis promotes and (hopefully) filter out all of the hollywood junk that is in it. |
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Mar 1 2005, 12:35 PM
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Sahsa is the exact type of person I was refering to in my post.
I am no big fan of the Matrix or any other movie(s), but I can see how those types of themes can make "NEOphytes" question their own reality, and hence look for answers themselves that is all... L3 |
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Mar 1 2005, 01:13 PM
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This post has been edited by MiserableSlugoftheEarth: Mar 11 2005, 10:52 PM |
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Mar 6 2005, 02:41 PM
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I agree, the Matrix is a controversial, to say the least, film from the Gnostic point of view. There are some "positive" things, for example, I was struck by a picture of a baby being plugged in to the Matrix - with narrative by Morpheus - "watch them liquify the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living" - this is a picture of egos ("the dead") re-attaching to a newly born child! (the Return).
Besides the other Gnostic elements, the movie is a good philosophical trainer specifically to meditate on Buddhist concept of mind-only. For example the part where Morpheus asks Neo "Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from the dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" The question, of course, should be re-phrased to "what if you were able to wake from the dream..." |
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Mar 11 2005, 02:59 PM
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![]() Registered Member Group: Members Posts: 2,276 Joined: 3-March 04 From: Thigle Nyag-gcig Member No.: 18 |
Ah never mind.
Really no reason to bring this up. This post has been edited by samanera: Mar 11 2005, 07:38 PM |
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Mar 11 2005, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE Instead it has inspired millions of people to accept the teachings that Gnosis promotes and (hopefully) filter out all of the hollywood junk that is in it. Millions huh? Where are these millions that have accepted Samael's doctrine due to the influence of this film? Millions? Most Gnostic students don't even know how to transform impressions well... So how are lay people supposed to filter the Hollywood garbage and subtle psychological influences from the black magicians in the mental plane? The initiations of the black lodge and their process of awakening is very similar to that of the White Lodge. Master Samael explains this in "The Revolution of Beelzebub". He is very clear about this and the distinction, discernment and definition that a Gnostic student must make in order to avoid subtle problems. Do as you will, in heaven or in hell. Just remember that we all must answer for our deeds in the end. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Jun 6 2005, 09:53 AM
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I just came across something quite interesting.
Apparently one of the ships in The Matrix is called "Gnosis". |
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Jun 12 2005, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE(Isabel @ Feb 28 2005, 07:38 PM) Believing that you must submit yourself to a vampiric, seductive witch, kissing her in front of your dear spouse, as an initiation on the path is BLACK MAGIC (and totally disgusting)!... This movie is truly ANTI GNOSTIC. [snapback]6219[/snapback] Quite right, the evidence for this can be clearly seen. No sex in the matrix? In the second film they clearly show neo and trinity not only having sex but climaxing, in fact to my knowledge this is one of the only times a film has been so pointed with that matter. The very concept of neo being 'the one' and they way this is portrayed in all three films is highly egoic and appeals to some rather deep desires within us. The film has taken fundamental concepts and bound them to base, egoic ideas. Certainly this film might provoke people into considering such matters for the first time, however it would be alot of work to remove the associative bonds the film has made between some rather harmful impressions & ideas about the Path to liberation - let alone realise that they are even there. Too many times we have been so very frustrated when discussing 'esoteric ideas' (pre-Gnosis) only to recieve the reply "Oh, you've been watching too much of the matrix". Also, samanera made reference to a group called 'O.T.O'...who are they? Thanks |
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Jun 12 2005, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(James Crow @ Feb 26 2005, 07:21 AM) 3. Lack of Sanctity. There is no need for "Neo" to destroy his Pride, his Lust, his Vanity, his envy; in fact, these are encouraged by the film, and he is driven to use the "courage of a beast" in order to accomplish his goals. This courage is founded in Self-will, rather than the will of the Divine. ... 4. Desire for Sensation. All of the films display a running theme of sensation as a measure of progress or success, but none more vividly than the 3rd. In this film, the inhabitants of "Zion" have a giant orgy before the "big battle." [snapback]6161[/snapback] "pay no attention to these hypocrites, Neo. To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human." Just thought of this phrase to support the idea that the movie is on the dark side... |
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Jun 13 2005, 12:23 AM
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![]() Registered Member Group: Members Posts: 2,276 Joined: 3-March 04 From: Thigle Nyag-gcig Member No.: 18 |
QUOTE(Nick) Also, samanera made reference to a group called 'O.T.O'...who are they? Thanks [snapback]8554[/snapback] Some relevant info was posted in this thread: http://www.gnosis-usa.com/forum/index.php?...=1136 Apparently the Ordo Templi Orientis in it's beginnings, was an Esoteric Order very similiar to authentic Ancient Gnosticism. Later on, Aleister Crowley became the head of this Order. Although I'm not sure if it began to degenerate even before that(as to make it even possible for A. Crowley to take it over?) -------------------- I Self Lord Am Master: "Reading the Kunjed Gyalpo you will often come across the word "I": "I am the nature of all phenomena," "I am the root of existence," and so on. This "I" is your true state: the Primordial Buddha, the supreme source of manifestation. Try to understand the meaning of Kunjed Gyalpo reading it in this light" - Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
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QUOTE(kazz @ Jun 12 2005, 10:57 PM) "pay no attention to these hypocrites, Neo. To deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human." Just thought of this phrase to support the idea that the movie is on the dark side... [snapback]8558[/snapback] I guess it depends who Neo is. If Neo is the One, then he is not many (outside relativity), which means his impulses can only come from his Being. This is seeing Neo as an aspect of the Being. -------------------- Love God + Love Nature + Love Humanity == Love Yourself
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