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The 72 Names Of God, 72 Names |
Mar 24 2005, 12:43 PM
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Did Master Samael Talk about or Discuss the 72 names of GOD?
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Mar 24 2005, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(bill @ Mar 24 2005, 11:43 AM) Did Master Samael Talk about or Discuss the 72 names of GOD? [snapback]6868[/snapback] Not that I know of, but its interesting it equals 9 -------------------- Love God + Love Nature + Love Humanity == Love Yourself
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Mar 24 2005, 08:41 PM
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From the Glossary:
QUOTE Shema Hamphoraseh (Hebrew) The “seperated name,” or the “name of extension.” Specifically, a name of God that has 72 aspects and is hidden in the original Hebrew of Exodus 14:19-21. It is said that there are two versions: one positive, corresponding to White Magic, and one negative, corresponding to Black Magic. He mentions it in Tarot and Kabbalah. -------------------- Best regards.
Remember: "Gnosis is lived upon facts, withers away in abstractions, and is difficult to find even in the noblest of thoughts." |
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Mar 27 2005, 02:06 AM
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The positive Shemhamphorash is related to the mathematic code within the Holy Tetragrammaton:
Yod He Vau He This name has 72 applications or mathematical combinations. Yod : 10 Yod He: 10+5=15 Yod He Vau: 10+5+6=21 Yod He Vau He: 10+5+6+5=26 10+15+21+26=72 72 is 9, that is where the Tetragrammaton is active within us. The negative Shemhamphorash is related to the 72 antitheses of these "Names of God". They can be found in a particular grimoire that is very famous and totally negative. It is called one of the Lesser Keys of Solomon, but truly it is nothing but a book of black magic that will lead even the most experienced practitioner into the snare of the abyss. Also, the so-called sixth and seventh books of Moses (which were in no way written by Moses) have the negative Shemhamphorash and it's black application. Those books are nothing but handbooks of voodoo for those that are impressed by the immediate magical effects of simple black magic. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Mar 31 2005, 01:15 PM
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Is the grimorie you are referring to the same one that is being published by the Kabbalah Centre, in Los Angeles?
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Mar 31 2005, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(Solomon @ Mar 31 2005, 12:15 PM) Is the grimorie you are referring to the same one that is being published by the Kabbalah Centre, in Los Angeles? [snapback]7050[/snapback] Nope. This is an ancient one that is in The Secret Teachings of all Ages. |
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Apr 4 2005, 12:48 AM
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Solomon, do you study with the Kabbalah center?
-------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Apr 10 2005, 01:45 PM
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Hi all. I noticed you are talking about Goetia (Lesser key). You said it's ancient and present in all ages. it's not quite true since that book was written in 1904 by MacGregor Mathers and Aleister Crowley.
Clavicula Salomonis is though much older. |
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Apr 10 2005, 09:56 PM
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"The Secret Teachings of All Ages" is a book by Manly P Hall.
The goetic sciences are ancient because we know they were practiced by the black adepts as far back as Atlantis. Neither Mathers nor Crowley wrote the said book, they translated it and added their commentaries. There are many grimoires related to the negative aspect of the Shemhamphorasch. The Kabbalah Center uses the Holy Name in order to accumulate riches and power. They are card carrying Zionists who mislead all of their students into the abyss. Be careful of them and they're students, not that the students are all intentionally malevolent, but they are carrying the seeds of destruction for Gnostic students. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Apr 11 2005, 09:00 AM
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I don't believe it's so ancient because many scientists agreed that even Clavicula Salomonis was written relatively "recently" and not by Salomon. Lesser key could not be so old then.
But let's talk about 72 Names. Shemhamphorash isn't necesarily the "evil path". Spirits can be forced to do as you wish, and though can be forced to do good. Holy Name is used in invocations but no invocation is "bad" by it's nature. It's the way you use it. And the way you get the seals. There are two ways in Goetia. You can obtain seals from good or evil forces. The evil way is easier ofcourse but you must be very careful to get rid of all that bad energy. And I'm still not talking about the Names. They are composed of three hebrew letters. I never found the real translation of them. I tried to translate them myself but all I get are three sounds which make no sense. |
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Apr 11 2005, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(Gremory @ Apr 11 2005, 09:00 AM) Shemhamphorash isn't necesarily the "evil path". QUOTE(Isabel @ Mar 27 2005, 02:06 AM) The positive Shemhamphorash is related to the mathematic code within the Holy Tetragrammaton: Yod He Vau He This name has 72 applications or mathematical combinations. Yod : 10 Yod He: 10+5=15 Yod He Vau: 10+5+6=21 Yod He Vau He: 10+5+6+5=26 10+15+21+26=72 72 is 9, that is where the Tetragrammaton is active within us. QUOTE(Gremory) Holy Name is used in invocations but no invocation is "bad" by it's nature. It's the way you use it. Right. However: QUOTE(Gremory) Spirits can be forced to do as you wish, and though can be forced to do good. Easy there... QUOTE Goetia Comes from an ancient word that means "howling and groaning." Goetia is the science of practical black magic. Magic is the science of influencing nature’s phenomena (internal and external). The practitioner of goetia uses magic to manipulate, harm, gain power, control, and feed desire/ego through consciously feeding the sensual mind. QUOTE Black Magic See also Goetia. "The black magicians have their mysticism, and they always firmly believe that they walk on the good path. No black magician believes that he walks on the evil path. The path of black magic is a broad way filled with vices and pleasures." - The Revolution of Beelzebub "Multitudes of schools of black magic exist, many of them with very venerable traditions that teach Sexual Magic with the spilling of semen. They have very beautiful theories that attract and captivate, and if the student falls in that seductive and delicious deceit, he becomes a black magician. Those black schools affirm to the four winds that they are white and that is why ignorant ones fall. Moreover, those schools talk of beauty, love, charity, wisdom, etc., etc. Naturally, in those circumstances the ignorant disciple attains the belief with firmness that such institutions are not evil and perverse. Remember good disciple, that the Abyss is full of sincerely mistaken ones and people of very good intentions..." - The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah "The intellect as the negative function of the mind is demoniacal. Everyone that enters into these studies, the first thing that they want is to dominate the mind of others. This is pure and legitimate black magic. No one has the right to violate the free will of others. No one has the right to exercise coaction upon the mind of others because this is black magic. The ones that are guilty of this grave error are all of those mistaken authors that are everywhere. All of those books of hypnotism, magnetism and suggestion are books of black magic. Whosoever does not know how to respect the free will of others is a black magician; those who perform mental works in order to violently dominate the mind of others convert themselves into perverse demons. These people separate themselves from the Innermost and they crumble into the Abyss." - The Initiatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot and Kabbalah QUOTE Theurgy From the Greek theos, "god," and ergon, "work" The action of Theos (God, the Monad). This is white magic, the influence and power that the Monad has over nature and its phenomena. This power and intelligence is exercised in many ways and can be exercised through the Bodhisattva or any particular solar body. From Occult Medicine and Practical Magic: QUOTE The White Magician does not violate the Law. Whosoever performs magical works without permission of his Intimate and against the will of the Divine Hierarchies is a Black Magician who will pay his karma within the abyss. QUOTE The Divine Rabbi from Galilee practiced the Gospel and healed the sick because he was a true Magician and Theurgist, a true God. "Magic" comes from mag which means "priest". It signifies great power from the Divine Wisdom, the Ineffable Light, the Solar Substance which the Medic Magician manipulates in order to heal those who are ill. When the human being fuses himself with his own Intimate, he converts himself into a God of Nature. This is why the Masters from the Mayan Ray are ineffable Gods of Nature. We ought to Be tools of The Divine, not vica versa. -------------------- I Self Lord Am Master: "Reading the Kunjed Gyalpo you will often come across the word "I": "I am the nature of all phenomena," "I am the root of existence," and so on. This "I" is your true state: the Primordial Buddha, the supreme source of manifestation. Try to understand the meaning of Kunjed Gyalpo reading it in this light" - Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
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Apr 11 2005, 02:41 PM
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Unless you are truly cultivating the Knowledge of Good and Evil through the science of transmutation, how would you know if you are doing good or evil?
Only the true Theurgist can command said spirits. Rituals don't give you powers over demons, they give you appointments with them. If you think you are trickier than the real diabolical intelligences, good luck to you. Those books are pit falls with tricks. The books themselves might have been changed according to the structure of the hierarchies of demons (because they change seats like the parliment). But the science of black magic (Goetia-the howling of the abyss) has been around for a long time. Theurgy (the science of THEOS/DIOS-the harmony of the choir of Elohim) has always been here to combat Goetia. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Apr 13 2005, 04:34 PM
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OK. But invocation can be used to call Angels. What then. Is that "evil path"?
If I'm to be punished for using evil spirits to do good deeds than where is the justice there? If you are unexpirienced you could get hurt but when you know what are you dooing than you actually can be a good "tool" of divinity. Wouldn't it be excellent to use Evil to do bidding of the Good |
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Apr 13 2005, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(Gremory @ Apr 13 2005, 03:34 PM) OK. But invocation can be used to call Angels. What then. Is that "evil path"? If I'm to be punished for using evil spirits to do good deeds than where is the justice there? If you are unexpirienced you could get hurt but when you know what are you dooing than you actually can be a good "tool" of divinity. Wouldn't it be excellent to use Evil to do bidding of the Good [snapback]7460[/snapback] Yes, those are some fine points that should definitely be considered, in essence, I agree. The invocation of angels is not evil in any way, that is a practice of Theurgy. Goetia is evil and black. The question is, when you are summoning evil spirits to do good, are you sure that what you are commanding them to do is good? The only one that can command demons is God. Is your God commanding demons or are you trying to command the demons from your own will? Goetia is inherently negative and black magic. Yet, for your Intimate to command a demon is not Goetia. Goetic invocation is self willed demonic invocations. Our knowledge of good and evil does not match the diabolical knowledge of say, Asmodeus. So how can we command him or even strike a fair deal? Master Samael says that we must know the good inside the evil and the evil inside the good; so, it seems that you understand that. I just totally disagree with the methods of Goetic invocations because it is a path of failure and tricks. -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Apr 16 2005, 03:23 AM
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I must agree. You said everything. I don't have anything to add but to say that goetia is written so (how to say that) deceptively (I don't know if it's spelled right). when you read it you are led to think that it's so innocent and good. The thing is that lure of that kind of books is allpresent. You can find thousand of sites with black magic on internet but there is wery little about white magic. It confuses people and leads them to wrong path.
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Apr 16 2005, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(Gremory @ Apr 16 2005, 02:23 AM) I must agree. You said everything. I don't have anything to add but to say that goetia is written so (how to say that) deceptively (I don't know if it's spelled right). when you read it you are led to think that it's so innocent and good. The thing is that lure of that kind of books is allpresent. You can find thousand of sites with black magic on internet but there is wery little about white magic. It confuses people and leads them to wrong path. [snapback]7532[/snapback] -------------------- "Flowers and chants are the most elevated things that exist on the earth so as to enter into the ambits of the truth." "The face of Xochipilli is impassible; yet, his heart is overflowing with happiness." |
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Apr 17 2005, 10:34 AM
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Question. Does someone have trenslation of all 72 names?
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Apr 17 2005, 02:07 PM
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I haven't heard about the 72 names of God, but in Islam there is 99 names of God or Allah. These are also called Asmaa-ul Husnaa. That seems to be kabbalistic and equals to 9...
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Apr 17 2005, 03:02 PM
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Peace Sinclair
As far as I know; it is actually 99+1 Names of Allah(not 100 but actually "99+1"). -------------------- I Self Lord Am Master: "Reading the Kunjed Gyalpo you will often come across the word "I": "I am the nature of all phenomena," "I am the root of existence," and so on. This "I" is your true state: the Primordial Buddha, the supreme source of manifestation. Try to understand the meaning of Kunjed Gyalpo reading it in this light" - Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
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Apr 17 2005, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(samanera @ Apr 17 2005, 10:02 PM) Peace Sinclair As far as I know; it is actually 99+1 Names of Allah(not 100 but actually "99+1"). [snapback]7557[/snapback] Peace Samanera Yes, I think you are right. The 99 names should be the attributes or "excellent attributes" of Allah. So, I think the one more name left is then Jalla Jalaaluh. -------------------- “The truth is not a matter of beliefs, sophisms, concepts, opinions. The truth can only be known through direct experience.” -Samael Aun Weor |
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